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Offline banjochris

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Missing 78s
« on: September 29, 2012, 05:58:04 PM »
The Blind Blake find brings to mind this topic: What important "missing" 78s are there left to find? I know there are unissued sides that would be a "holy grail" like Patton's remaining Vocalions or the Lemon Jefferson Okehs (and there are a couple of unissued Blake titles too), but let's face it, those are probably gone forever. Now that Blake's last two missing ones have turned up, and Son House's Mississippi County Farm/Clarksdale Moan, what's left that was issued (or at least that we're reasonably sure was issued)? Hopefully folks can add to this list.

Willie Brown
Kicking in My Sleep/Window Blues - Pm 13099
Sorry Blues/Grandma Blues (pretty sure I've read this somewhere, but it's not in B&GR)

William Harris
Nothin' Right Blues - Ge 6904 (Papa Charlie Hill Blues by Charlie Hill on other side, whoever that is)
Gonna Get Me a Woman That I Calls My Own - Ge 6677 (B&GR doesn't list who's on the flip)
I'm a Roamin' Gambler/I Was Born in the Country Raised in Town - Ge 6737

in old-time I know of

Rutherford and Foster
Taylor's Quickstep (exists on Supertone)/Sally Johnson - Ge 6913

Dock Roberts
My Old Coon Dog/Smoky Row (exists on Supertone) - Ge 6588

there are a couple of Mangrum and Shriver waltzes that I read somewhere that were unissued by Victor that supposedly exist; I've never heard them but would like to -- Mammoth Cave Waltz and Rose Waltz

At least one Uncle Dave Macon test from 1945 - Prettiest Little Gal/Fame Apart From God's Approval was made and given to someone who sponsored the recording trip; it hasn't been found -- the other tests from that session have been issued.

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2012, 06:26:10 PM »
You totally read my mind Chris, thanks.

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2012, 06:33:44 PM »
Three of J.D. Short's Paramount records have never been found:

"Steamboat Rousty b/w Gittin Up On The Hill" (Paramount 13012 )
"Drafted Mama b/w "Wake Up Bright Eye Mama" (Paramount 13040)
"Flaggin' It To Georgia b/w Tar Road Blues" (Paramount 13091)

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2012, 11:29:57 PM »
Only one early Cajun recording has never been found:
Bartmon Montet-Joswell Dupuis   
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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2012, 12:26:27 AM »
In the old-time category, I read somewhere that Uncle Dave recorded a couple of piano pieces. It would be wonderful to hear that as well.
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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2012, 01:34:55 AM »
don`t forgett the missing test-recordings like those of cooney vaughn

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2012, 01:37:31 AM »
How could we forget Mr. Cooney?
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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2012, 04:11:27 AM »
Ed Bell:
Barefoot Blues/Hard Luck Blues - Pm ?????

The notation in B&GR is "Barefoot Bill is believed to have made a record for Paramount.  So far the record has not turned up and the issue number is uncertain."

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2012, 07:21:02 AM »
Hi all,
I believe there is an undiscovered Clifford Gibson record and also one by Teddy Darby.
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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2012, 08:04:06 AM »
Right you are, John.

Teddy Darby:
Decoration Day Blues/Sweet Memories Blues - Vocalion 03177

Clifford Gibson:
Morgan Street Blues/West Trade Street Blues - QRS R7090

Offline banjochris

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2012, 03:25:03 PM »
Big Bill is missing:

Bow Leg Baby on Pe 169 (rev. My Texas Blues by Georgia Tom [which looks like it exists on other labels])
I Can't Be Satisfied - Ge 7230 (rev. Western Blues by Frank Brasswell as Western Kid)
That Won't Do/How You Want It Done (latter exists on Superior or Savoy) - Ch 16172
How You Want It Done/Station Blues - Pm 13084

Ishman Bracey and the New Orleans Nehi Boys
B&GR lists:
Low Down Blues - Pm ?
Run to Me at Night - Pm ?
with no matrix numbers - was this mentioned in an ad somewhere?

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2012, 05:13:59 PM »
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Ishman Bracey and the New Orleans Nehi Boys
B&GR lists:
Low Down Blues - Pm ?
Run to Me at Night - Pm ?

Those songs are both listed with a -1 after them, denoting just Bracy, accompanied by his guitar.

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2012, 12:39:48 AM »
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Ishman Bracey and the New Orleans Nehi Boys
B&GR lists:
Low Down Blues - Pm ?
Run to Me at Night - Pm ?

Those songs are both listed with a -1 after them, denoting just Bracy, accompanied by his guitar.

I wanna hear 'em! I wonder if Run to Me at Night is another version of Saturday Blues, which has that line in its first verse.

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2012, 01:40:46 AM »
^I wonder that myself.
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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2012, 09:53:12 AM »
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Ishman Bracey and the New Orleans Nehi Boys
B&GR lists:
Low Down Blues - Pm ?
Run to Me at Night - Pm ?

Those songs are both listed with a -1 after them, denoting just Bracy, accompanied by his guitar.

That's what happens when I read type that small without my reading glasses on!

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2012, 01:33:35 PM »
Goodness, I hadn't realized there are some missing Bracey solo tracks!  I reckon I'm very much in the minority, but I'd rather hear those than the missing Willie Brown tracks, and for that matter, I'd also rather hear the missing Jaydee Short tracks.  Those would be hugely exciting.  Actually, just about anything listed so far would be hugely exciting.
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Re: Missing 78s
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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2012, 09:25:07 PM »
Bracey told me in the 1960s that he only saw one of his PM records--Pm 12949 "Where's My Shoes At?" with 44 Charley Taylor. He never saw any of his guitar records--including "Woman Woman Blues" Pm 12970 and said he made "Doodleville Blues" with his guitar. Said he did  at least 6 songs just with his guitar..But one of those he remembered was "Farish Street Rag" which has the New Orleans Nehi Boys with him and is an instrumental not a blues with guitar.
   There are no known listings ever found--including the PM catalogs and monthly listings John Tefteller bought in Port Washington. WI back in the early 2000s that listed any Bracey PMs with his guitar alone beside Pm 12970. Those early sides "Run To Me At Night" were in the first Dixon and Godrich but I never found where they came from and no ads nor the actual Pm record have ever been seen. NYC collectors Pete Whelan and Bernie Klatzko in the early 1960s had  never seen a copy of them nor an ad for them.
 My guess is they never existed. If they did, they died with whoever reported them to Dixon and Godrich. The same with a Barefoot Bill PM. No one has ever seen one nor any listing of any such PM listing in any ad or monthly supplement. But there are still about 20 missing gaps in the PM 12900 to 13100 series that are unknown. What lies there is probably gone forever. gdw

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2012, 10:35:22 PM »
mention charley "44" taylor, his PLK railroad PM is also missing

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2012, 09:13:51 AM »
all i wanna hear is the Locust Ridge Saints doing Had A Dream Last Night Troubled Me!!!!!!!
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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2012, 11:33:09 AM »
"Funny Paper" Smith:
Hobo Blues/Old Rounder's Blues  Vocalion 1582

We'll probably never find this one, though, as the comment in B&GR states "Vocalion 1582 was probably never issued, or was withdrawn immediately after release.", so probably only a few copies ever saw the light of day.

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2012, 06:32:39 PM »
"lost" music - the two unissued Willie Walker sides. I think that I had gotten Baby Tate up for playing them for me, but he died before I could record him doing those songs. So close!

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2012, 10:51:55 AM »
Archie Lewis:
Miss Handy Hanks / Honey 'Low Me One More Chance  Champion 16677

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2013, 07:21:17 PM »
Didn't realize there was an unissued/missing Tommy Johnson song.

Louisiana Blues (45464-2/VI unissued)
Recorded 31st of August, 1928 in Memphis at same session he waxed CANNED HEAT & BIG FAT MAMA BLUES.
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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2015, 07:39:13 AM »
I think some things will turn up over the years,like they've always done...but not so often....there's still attics and basements and storage lockers.......things will turn up ,now and again.

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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2015, 02:36:47 PM »
The Memphis Jug Band made IIRC 12 recordings in 1932 for Champion - and only 5 titles appear on reissues.
No explanations ever given, the DG 3rd edition (the only one I have) lists them as if they were originally issued but I?m afraid I have never found those 7 titles on any reissue :(
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Re: Missing 78s
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2015, 08:31:39 PM »
The next wave is going to be home movie enthusiast films of local Blues players playing in the street. Unfortunately they'll have no sound, but still. You just Knoooow they're out there!
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