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Author Topic: I've remastered a few Charlie Patton tracks. I'd appreciate some input.  (Read 4610 times)

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Offline cc132

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Fascinating CC, I'll have to check out the Wave software, not that I need anymore projects.  And very generous of you to take requests.  I always wished that Jaybird Coleman's recordings were not so whupped.  For something different, how about 'Man Trouble Blues'?

Alright, "Man Trouble Blues" was about as tough as expected.  I can't get rid of the crackling at the very beginning without seriously affecting the harmonica, so it had to stay.  Interestingly enough, you can actually hear someone walking around in the background, almost definitely on wood floors -- that would explain the heavy natural reverb on the vocals.  Sounds like this one was recorded in a warehouse.

Jaybird Coleman - Man Trouble Blues: http://www.mediafire.com/?l4umxbm6y85oh8f

Offline misterjones

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Looking forward to listenting to them and incorporating them into my Patton analyses.

To further my Blind Lemon Jefferson study, I'd apprecaite it if you could take a crack at one or more of the following:

(1) Wartime Blues
(2) Rabbit Foot Blues
(3) Easy Rider Blues
(4) See That My Grave Is Kept Clean (2nd Version)
« Last Edit: July 10, 2011, 07:14:42 PM by misterjones »

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Fascinating CC, I'll have to check out the Wave software, not that I need anymore projects.  And very generous of you to take requests.  I always wished that Jaybird Coleman's recordings were not so whupped.  For something different, how about 'Man Trouble Blues'?

Alright, "Man Trouble Blues" was about as tough as expected.  I can't get rid of the crackling at the very beginning without seriously affecting the harmonica, so it had to stay.  Interestingly enough, you can actually hear someone walking around in the background, almost definitely on wood floors -- that would explain the heavy natural reverb on the vocals.  Sounds like this one was recorded in a warehouse.

Jaybird Coleman - Man Trouble Blues: http://www.mediafire.com/?l4umxbm6y85oh8f

Thanks CC, pretty interesting.  Not sure I picked up anyone walking around, but I'll listen again sometime -- there are some weird audio 'artifacts' and it does sound quite echo-y.

Offline misterjones

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I listened to your remasterings of "High Water Everywhere Part 1" and "Screamin' and Hollerin' the Blues".  "High Water Everywhere Part 1" is first rate.  It had virtually no surface noise and the underlying performance sound quality may have been as good as Yazoo's.  (Hard to tell with all the noise on Yazoo!)  It certainly bested The Definitive Charley Patton, which I think is the best sound-reduced set available.  (I have not listened to the Pristine Classical CD.)

For some reason, "Screamin' and Hollerin' the Blues" didn't seem to reach the same level.  The vocals sounded a bit harsh and flat, though the guitar sounded OK.  Do you think there could have been too much noise reduction on that one?
« Last Edit: July 12, 2011, 08:07:07 AM by misterjones »

Offline JohnLeePimp

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...for Screamin you could try the revenant (or jsp?) version as the base:

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Offline Tom Rushen

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I guess it's all in what you're looking for. Certainly Patton's voice leaps out in these, which is fun, but it comes at the price of a natural-sounding guitar. The guitar here sounds very odd, digital artifacts galore. I also tend to like a brighter sound, and the EQ here has a dullness to it that is not my preference, though others may like it.

Thanks for giving it a go, and for sharing it.

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Re: I've remastered a few Charlie Patton tracks. I'd appreciate some input.
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2011, 04:38:28 PM »
Just wanted to let everyone know that I have not forgotten about this -- I've just been incredibly busy with school and work lately.  I will be getting to all of the requests soon.

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Re: I've remastered a few Charlie Patton tracks. I'd appreciate some input.
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2011, 03:01:38 PM »

Take your time, cc, all of this stuff on Weenie is supposed to be fun. I'm still enjoying playing the first two Charlie Patton cuts that you remastered and watching my friends' reactions when they listen on a decent pair of earphones.

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Re: I've remastered a few Charlie Patton tracks. I'd appreciate some input.
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2011, 09:02:47 AM »
Just wanted to let everyone know that I have not forgotten about this -- I've just been incredibly busy with school and work lately.  I will be getting to all of the requests soon.

school aye?

I'm liking how [us] toddlers are now well represented in the old-blues appreciation sphere :P
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Re: I've remastered a few Charlie Patton tracks. I'd appreciate some input.
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2011, 03:02:41 PM »
Just wanted to let everyone know that I have not forgotten about this -- I've just been incredibly busy with school and work lately.  I will be getting to all of the requests soon.

school aye?

I'm liking how [us] toddlers are now well represented in the old-blues appreciation sphere :P

I suppose (I'm 23...not sure how old you are).  I think it's important to remember, though, that this music was old even when the current "old" generation was our age -- and just like it will be old when the generation below us discovers it.  We may have the internet to help us discover things, but the process is still largely the same -- one, through sheer happenstance, hears a Robert Johnson or Son House track and decides to find out what else is out there.

As long as rock music is still popular, people will continue to seek out its roots.  We aren't special by virtue of being young; we are just part of the natural cycle of things.

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Re: I've remastered a few Charlie Patton tracks. I'd appreciate some input.
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2011, 07:44:31 AM »
I suppose (I'm 23...not sure how old you are).  I think it's important to remember, though, that this music was old even when the current "old" generation was our age -- and just like it will be old when the generation below us discovers it.  We may have the internet to help us discover things, but the process is still largely the same -- one, through sheer happenstance, hears a Robert Johnson or Son House track and decides to find out what else is out there.

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Re: I've remastered a few Charlie Patton tracks. I'd appreciate some input.
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2011, 09:01:23 AM »
Thanks for the work on the tracks, and for the links to the videos--well done. School and work come first, so "when time permits" is the best approach, IMHO.

I guess 23 is young in relative terms, but considering the accomplishments of relatively young musicians by that age (check out the Blue Goose catalog), such as our own Johnm, you're in good company regarding your passion for the music.

As a 61 year old, all I can say is to appreciate and enjoy your youth, as it won't last forever. And for the quote generator, I offer up the following:

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Re: I've remastered a few Charlie Patton tracks. I'd appreciate some input.
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2011, 10:33:54 PM »
Very very good for removing noise. I have ALL the various remasters that have been released on Patton (CD). Some, like Yazoo want to give you everything...noise and all...and I'm glad to have it for a total, accurate, reference source.

Some remasters try to remove noise (like you) and I appreciate it because sometimes I just want to concentrate on the guitar part or lyrics...I don't need noise then.

So....

Your mixes are very succesful in the latter category, the only one better I've heard is the CD called 'Devil Sent Rain Blues'. These hit the mark removing the noise as well as you, but retain just a bit more natural sounding guitar, not quite as much comb filtering. Also, seems that you've slowed down the track a little, not that that hurts anything.

Thanks for posting!

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Re: I've remastered a few Charlie Patton tracks. I'd appreciate some input.
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2011, 07:23:55 PM »
cc132 you are wise beyond your years.

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Re: I've remastered a few Charlie Patton tracks. I'd appreciate some input.
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2011, 04:35:09 PM »
. . . the only one better I've heard is the CD called 'Devil Sent Rain Blues'. These hit the mark removing the noise as well as you, but retain just a bit more natural sounding guitar, not quite as much comb filtering.

Thanks for the tip on this CD.  I haven't made a full comparison yet with The Definitive Charley Patton - what I had considered the best noise-reduced Patton set - but at least many tracks on Devil Sent Rain Blues are superior (some remarkably so).

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