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Offline CF

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Blues Aliases
« on: April 30, 2008, 12:02:49 PM »
I've been compiling an index of my Blues & Old-time recordings & I've been coming across artists that I'm confused as to their possible identities. This is what people who don't have B&GR do!
Is Rev. Moses Mason the same Red Hot Old Man Moses?
Is R. T. Hanen J. D. Short?
Is Wiley Barner Joe McCoy?
Also, I can't remember where but I saw Sam Hill confused for an underrecorded artist recently when in fact it's a pseudonym for Walter Vincson right?
Then there's the ladies: Bessie Jackson = Lucille Bogan, Lottie Beaman = Lottie Kimbrough . . .
Can anyone shed some light on my above questions & perhaps this would be a good thread to start a blues/oldtime alias list? (assuming there isn't one already, I did do a bit of a search . . . )
« Last Edit: May 01, 2008, 03:03:22 PM by cheapfeet »
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Offline CF

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Re: Blues Alias'
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2008, 05:06:20 AM »
Mozelle Alderson also recorded under the names 'Jane Lucas', 'Kansas City Kitty' & 'Hannah May'. 'Jane Lucas' may have been used by several artists.
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Re: Blues Alias'
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2008, 09:57:32 AM »
Also, I can't remember where but I saw Sam Hill confused for an underrecorded artist recently when in fact it's a pseudonym for Walter Vincson right?
Walter Vincson and Jesse Coleman (Monkey Joe) were teamed with a guitarist named Sam Hill by Chris Albertson in 1961 to record for Riverside. But you are correct in saying that Walter (or Brunswick) used the  pseudonym of Sam Hill (from Louisville)...confusing ain't it? Especially since Albertson states in his notes to the LP that the Sam Hill he recorded "...had cut two sides for Victor in 1929 and four for Brunswick in '31" Bet you wished you'd never opened this can of worms. :)

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Re: Blues Alias'
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2008, 10:46:06 AM »
Well there's a Sammy Hill & A Sam Hill (s) right?
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Re: Blues Alias'
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2008, 11:32:10 AM »
Sammy Hill recorded two titles for Victor in Dallas 1929 these can be heard on Document DOCD 5107 (Ramblin' Thomas & The Dallas Blues Singers). "Sam Hill" From Louisville's output is on BDCD 6013 (Mississippi String Bands & Associates).

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Re: Blues Aliases
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2008, 01:50:44 PM »
All -- I like this topic and I'll try to come up with some contributions. But first, a grammar point that is really bothering me: the plural of alias is aliases (not alias'). Please fix the title! Thanks, Chezz

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Re: Blues Aliases
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2008, 03:03:02 PM »
Ha ha, you know I thought the same thing & just ignored it. I had originally titled the post Alias Blues & then just kinda switched the words around . . . change is made.

Oh yeah . . . can anyone shed some more light on the questions in my first post???
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Re: Blues Aliases
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2008, 03:11:44 PM »
Hi cheapfeet,
Based on the sound of Wiley Barner's vocal on his very odd track, "My Gal Mistreats Me", I would say that he and Joe McCoy could not be the same person.  They really don't sound anything like each other.
Other performers in this category: 
   * Sam Butler and Bo Weavil Jackson
   * Pinewoods Tom and Joshua White, the singing Christian
   * The Mississippi Mudder and Joe McCoy (I think)
   * Charley Patton and Elder Hadley
   * Blind Lemon Jefferson and Deacon L. J. Bates
   * Blind Willie McTell and Blind Sammie
There must be many more.
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Re: Blues Aliases
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2008, 03:17:36 PM »
John, you're right. I goofed. I was thinking of 'Bill Wilber'. Always check your notes!!
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Re: Blues Aliases
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2008, 04:05:07 PM »
Roosevelt Sykes recorded as Dobby Bragg for Paramount (is J. K. Rowling a country blues fan?) and as Willie Kelly for Victor.

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Re: Blues Aliases
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2008, 07:29:18 PM »
Didn't Big Bill have an alias or two up his sleeve?
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Re: Blues Aliases
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2008, 11:35:49 PM »
Didn't Big Bill have an alias or two up his sleeve?

Sammy Sampson, Big Bill Broomsley and Big Bill Johnson, at least.

Lonnie Johnson recorded as Duke Owens, Willie Woods, Bud Wilson and George Jefferson for Gennett and had records issued as by Jimmy Jordan on Columbia.

Eddie Lang recorded as Blind Willie Dunn with Johnson.

McTell was also Georgia Bill and Barrelhouse Sammy and Pig 'n Whistle Red.

And one of my favorites, John Fahey and Bill Barth (IIRC) recorded as R.L. Watson and Josiah Jones in the '60s. It's one of my favorites not for the names, but for the ridiculous biography of them included in the liner notes.


There was an article in 78 Quarterly once that had all the pseudonyms that the Broadway label used when it reissued Paramount and other material -- I'll have to dig it out.

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Re: Blues Aliases
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2008, 07:17:18 AM »
Hi all,
More in the Chicago blues realm than Country Blues, but a couple I remember from the '60s:
   * Muddy Waters recorded as Dirty Rivers, and my favorite, Clear Creek
   * Buddy Guy recorded as Friendly Chap
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Re: Blues Aliases
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2008, 08:03:41 AM »
Let's not overlook Blind Boy Grunt! Or Bob Dylan!
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Re: Blues Aliases
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2008, 08:29:24 AM »
Some years ago now, a radio comedy show in the UK featured Deaf Boy Smedley and Caught Short Williamson...

Not aliases, but quite funny I thought.
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