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Fourteen Black Pattis, the most ever found in a single place, now sat in a neat stack in front of Joe Bussard. "Some man gave 'em to my sister back in 1927," the old man was explaining. "We played 'em once, but we don't care much for blues and such, so we packed 'em away and they've been there ever since - Joe Bussard, story by Eddie Dean, washingtoncitypaper.com

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leonard

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Sonny Boy Williamson
« on: May 20, 2007, 05:15:50 AM »
Does anyone know if there are other bluesmen who took ,or just by chance had the same name?              Thanks Lenny
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Re: Sonny boy Williamson
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2007, 05:19:10 AM »
Brownie McGee was billed as "Blind Boy Fuller No. 2" on some of earliest records. I don't think it was his idea and he dropped it pretty soon.

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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2007, 05:49:41 AM »
Thanks I didn't know that.

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Re: Sonny boy Williamson
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2007, 07:07:21 AM »
I've just come to learn that there are, at least:

1) a Stovepipe #1, alias Sam Jones,

2) a Daddy Stovepipe, alias Johnny Watson,  http://www.patmissin.com/articles/PWBHG1.html

3) a Sweet Papa Stovepipe.

If someone can shed more light into this,  I would appreciate it :).

The various Willie/William Browns cause confusion regularly also.

Cheers

Pan

Edit: and then there's our own Carl, of course, see below  :D


« Last Edit: May 20, 2007, 12:29:55 PM by Pan »

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Re: Sonny boy Williamson
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2007, 09:24:35 AM »
Hey Pan,

You forgot me  ;)  I'm the only and original Daddy Stovepipe that's still alive and kicking; all those other guys are imposters 8)

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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2007, 10:07:58 AM »
Does anyone know if there are other bluesmen who took ,or just by chance had the same name? 
There was a third Sonny Boy Williamson who recorded for Ram Records in 50s the identity of whom was the subject of much speculation until 1997 when Maggie Mortensen attempted to track him down:

"Unable to find out anything locally about this particular incarnation of the SBW name, I called  Ram Records (in Shreveport, Louisiana) and, in the course of pursuing the info on Williamson, learned a great deal about a very interesting blues recording story.  I spoke with Alton Warwick, co-owner of Ram Records with his wife Maggie Warwick.

Sonny Boy Williamson (real name Jeffrey Williamson, later known also as "Golden Boy") is now deceased, having died at some unknown time within the last ten years or so.  He appeared at the '73 JazzFest (which I believe was the very first Fest), and he recorded a few tracks for Ram Records which are now o.o.p. collector's items.  However, Ace Records of England has released three CDs in a planned series of six blues reissues that include several Ram titles; one of the series is called "Shreveport Stomp" and features a track called "Mailman Mailman" by this artist, who is listed as Sonny "Golden Boy" Williamson.

Mr. Warwick was unable to supply me with any details about the last years of Mr. Williamson's life or exactly how or when he died, but he did know that a man living in Washington D.C. recently discovered through research that he was the son of Williamson (he hadn't previously known his father's identity) and had contacted the Warwicks in his effort to put together biographical details of his father's life."
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2007, 11:36:20 AM »
And let's not forget Enoch Williams, who recorded as Sonny Boy Williams in the early 1940s, and as Sunny Williams after the war.  Since his records seem to have been aimed more at the jazz audience, his nickname may not have been an attempt to trade on the fame of John Lee Williamson.  But the names are similar enough to cause confusion.
 

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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2007, 12:21:55 PM »
And let's not forget Enoch Williams, who recorded as Sonny Boy Williams in the early 1940s, and as Sunny Williams after the war.  Since his records seem to have been aimed more at the jazz audience, his nickname may not have been an attempt to trade on the fame of John Lee Williamson.  But the names are similar enough to cause confusion.
Enoch was a pianist though, but if we are going down that route there was a harmonica playiing Sonny Boy Williams who cut a 45 for Duplex in late 50s whilst Bill Ferris recorded a guitarist of that name in Leland, Mississippi in July 1968.  ;D

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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2007, 03:16:15 PM »
Hey Pan,

You forgot me  ;)  I'm the only and original Daddy Stovepipe that's still alive and kicking; all those other guys are imposters 8)

Ooops! Sorry to have missed you, Carl! ;)

I did some research on the "imposters", here's all music guide's page on Stovepipe#1, a.k.a. Sam Jones: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:wnftxqlgld6e~T1 . Apparently he really played a stovepipe :o, jug style.

Daddy Stovepipe a.k.a. Johnny Watson has his page here: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:hnftxqwkldae~T1 .

Sweet Papa Stovepipe a.k.a McKinley Peebles seems to be less known, and gets only to be mentioned on the previous artists page.

But I also came across a 4th Stovepipe, a singer called Stovepipe Johnson, whom I've never heard of before. You can hear samples of him singing backed up by pianist Georgia Tom Dorsey here: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:jxfexq8hldte

Now I'm confused! :-\

Pan
« Last Edit: May 20, 2007, 03:17:22 PM by Pan »

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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2007, 05:46:33 PM »
Thanks for your inputs on this. It all started at work. My friend was talking about Sonny Boy Williamson. I ask him which one. I don't think he liked it. I assured him I wasn't kidding him.
So I thought I'd put it to you guy's.
By the way Carl is the real Daddystovepipe >:D

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Re: Sonny boy Williamson
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2007, 05:43:45 PM »
The 'was Will Weldon the same guy as Casey Bill' controversy probably falls into this bucket.

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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2007, 11:46:39 AM »
When I was young and impressionable I would cut from the weekly British pop press blues "oddities" and paste into "scrapbooks". This thread has reminded me of one such which I've attempted to scan from one of these volumes. Don't know how successfuk this will be!

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2007, 03:05:02 PM »
Thats pretty cool!

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2007, 04:04:49 PM »
It's pretty cool but, as Bunker Hill would be the first to tell you, the text of the clipping is not entirely accurate.  Alec "Rice" Miller had been playing around the South for quite a few years, billing himself as "Little Boy Blue", "Harmonica-Blowin' Slim", and other names.  He began broadcasting over radio station KFFA in Helena, Arkansas, in 1941.  Though the facts are lost in the mists of time, most sources agree that it was probably Max Moore of the Interstate Grocery Company, which sponsored Miller's show, who at that time dubbed Miller "Sonny Boy Williamson" in an attempt to cash in on the popularity of John Lee "Sonny Boy" Williamson.  Whether Miller was a willing accomplice or thought he had to agree to whatever a white man said will never be known.

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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2007, 12:24:34 AM »
The irony is DJ that one of the occasional contributors to the paper was Mike Leadbitter who at that point was the research authority on "Rice". In a subsequent issue of the paper I seem to recall a reader's letter pointing this out.

 


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