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Offline Mr.OMuck

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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2011, 10:01:58 AM »
Still don't know what to think. Some similarities for sure, but the configuration of the eyebrows, thier angle (which of course can change somewhat) is still problematic. This in no way should be seen as discrediting Mr. Wardlow's assertion. My hunch is that its a butchered retouch, which is actually what I thought the first time I ever laid eyes on it lo these thirty years ago or such.
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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2011, 10:19:40 AM »

Here are two attempt to overlay the retouched photo with the later established image.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2011, 10:32:02 AM by Mr.OMuck »
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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2011, 10:45:44 AM »
Thanks very much for that, O'Muck, it's really very helpful.  It already makes the earlier photo a picture of someone who could plausibly age into the later photo.
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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2011, 10:56:09 AM »
Thanks Messrs. Wardlow and O'Muck.

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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2011, 11:02:17 AM »
Something I think needs to be said: Charlie Patton lived hard. Lots of alcohol, who knows if he had access to any other substances to abuse, but alcohol and tobacco by themselves can make a body age really fast.

Most of you I'm sure know the story about another Charlie--Parker, the genius alto sax player. Died when he was 34, but the coroner at first estimated his age to be between 50 and 60. Granted, Parker was a heroin addict for much of his adult life, but he also suffered from alcohol-induced cirrhosis of the liver--in his mid-30s.

Photo-Shopping Charlie Patton's pics is cool and all that, but keep in mind the 20 or so years that passed between the two photos--long enough for some serious changes in appearance to take place due to hard living. It could have affected the size or shape of facial body parts.

« Last Edit: March 06, 2011, 12:47:40 PM by lindy »

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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2011, 03:17:02 PM »
Thanks MrOMuck!

i could buy into the heavily retouched earlier photo combined with hard livin'

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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2011, 05:28:39 AM »
.....combined with hard livin'

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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2011, 06:10:57 AM »
Further proof, if any were needed, that fame makes you ugly.
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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2011, 03:38:25 PM »
.....combined with hard livin'

Amazingly they still look like the same person!

Offline LD50

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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2011, 06:12:21 PM »
.....combined with hard livin'

Amazingly they still look like the same person!

Actually if I didn't know they were the same person, I'm not at all sure I would ever think they were.

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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2011, 04:13:11 AM »
Then what do you think about the Patton photos then? They must really not look like the same person...

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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2011, 05:08:57 AM »
I'm not seeing the hard living argument (in Patton, not Keef, who's clearly had too many blood transfusions from gila monsters). Patton looks perfectly fine to me in the photo we are all familiar with. Even better when it's the full shot showing his spiffy get-up.

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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2011, 07:17:19 AM »
Then what do you think about the Patton photos then? They must really not look like the same person...

Correct, they don't. Tho I don't consider my vague impressions to be authoritative here.  ;D

It's amazing to realize that in that second picture Patton wasn't even 40 years old yet.

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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2011, 09:08:14 AM »
I think you see what you want to see.

They *could* be the same person but equally might very well not be.

I think Mr Wardlow's explanation does it for me. The information given to him could be incorrect but I believe him and don't think him uncritical in making sound judgements on what people say to him.

So my vote is that it is indeed Charley Patton.

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Re: Charlie Patton Photo?
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2011, 03:47:03 PM »
Quote from: TonyGilroy link=topic=3084.msg59175#msg59175 date=1299604094So my vote is that it is indeed Charley Patton.[/quote
I'm with Our Tone here. What really persuades me is the visible portions of the upper halves of the ears, they appear almost identical to me. But my eyesight isn't great, so draw your own concl.s etc.
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