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Author Topic: Slackabilly's first gig  (Read 21971 times)

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Offline Slack

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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #75 on: January 25, 2008, 12:59:47 PM »
Hello Gary, Hello Gary, Hello Gary, Hello Gary, Hello Gary,

Ken is following this thread, so he kindly forwarded the following - thank goodness we can get him out of his garage laboratory to drink beer and play music once in awhile.  ;D

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We're using a Boss (Roland) RV-3 guitar delay pedal of all things.  It
really has a very clean sound and good delay & reverb functions and of
course a nice compact package.  It's obsolete but the successor, RV-5,
looks similar and probably is quite comparable.  I run it with a single
repeat echo at my best guess of 115ms delay (seems like I read that was the
magic number back in the day, probably based on tape-loop head spacing &
tape speed).  It sits in the aux loop so I can dial varying amounts on
different channels.  If you refer to the photo, I set Balance to EFX,
Tone/FBACK full CCW (to get just the one repeat), RTIME/DTIME to about 8
o'clock (to set the delay time), and MODE to 2 (short delay, no reverb).

The "cleanliness" of the sound is typically what people regard as
"sterile".  The RV-3 has a 1K resistor in series with its output which
means you can just hang a 0.047uF capacitor on it (cleverly hidden inside
the 1/4" plug barrel, soldered across the terminals) to cut the treble
noticibly.  It gives a bit of character to it and the part I like best
(which Slack alluded to in a previous post) is that it "hides" the echo
effectively by suppressing much of the definition of the sound in the echo.
If the echo has equal HF content to the dry signal it's easy for them to
clash IMO.  When I reconfigured our sound system I put new cables in this
loop, forgetting about this capacitor mod.  That's partly why the echo on
the demos sounds obtrusive.  (That, and the fact that there's too much in
places anyway).

Another step that can be taken is to insert a tube or FET-based emulating
preamp or buffer in the signal path to generate that "musical distortion"
sound that tubes are prized for.  This is the source of much of the
"warmth" people associate with tube equipment.  This is one of the elements
of the "aural exciter" effects and compressor "enhancer" features that are
supposed to add "sheen" or "air" to the sound without making it "brittle"
or "harsh".  (the multitude of "" in this description should indicate just
how subjective these qualities are).
---snip---

Gary, I'll look at my settings, or snap a photo of my RE-20 later this evening.


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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #76 on: January 25, 2008, 01:28:14 PM »
Dizzy, dizzy, dizzy, dizzy
Thanks guys.
Here's everything I (the electronic simpleton) can tell you- I'm running my Nashville and Tele through the Boss DD-3 set here:

Vince Gordon's DD-3 Settings

I have found this is the best echo-billy sound so far then into a Fender HotRod Deluxe. Since I don't know anyone else that is playing 'billy music within 30 miles everything I try is by experiment or on-line so many thanks for your help.

Got the name, still workin' on the licks!

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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #77 on: January 25, 2008, 04:12:30 PM »
Nashville, as in Gretsch 6122-1962?

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just hang a 0.047uF capacitor on it

Took the words right out of my mouth!  :)

Anyone tried the newer Echoplex units? I'm getting echo unit envy.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2008, 04:23:51 PM by Rivers »

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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #78 on: January 25, 2008, 09:05:38 PM »
Gary, here is a follup that I thought I posted earlier - apparently Ken does not think you are dizzy enough.  Also a pic of my RE-20 settings.

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The Jime photo tells me this:

Delay time looks perfect, about 1/2 way between 50 to 200 ms -> 125ms.

FBACK setting will give more than one slapback but it's low enough that I
would guess slapbacks beyond the first fade out pretty quickly.  Probably
borders on being vaguely spring-reverby sounding?

The EFX Level setting is a bit puzzling.  On my RV-3, the BALANCE control
goes from just direct signal (dry) to just effect (wet).  So to get equal
amounts of dry and echo, you would set it in the middle.  Since I use it in
the aux loop, I want just effects, since I already have the dry signal on
the mains, so I go fully CW and use my effects send on individual mixer
channels to control the level differntly for each signal.  On the DD-3 I
can't tell if the EFX level brings the delayed signal up and down while
preserving the dry signal (mix vs balance if you will), or if it is acting
as a balance as on the RV-3.  If the latter is the case, it seems like it
would be excessive.  If the former is the case, it still seems like that
would be a pretty high level of effects, but I would want to listen to some
of his samples (assuming they use these settings) to see how it all sits in
the mix before criticising.

Also want to point out that our RV-3 is being applied just to the vocals
and sax.  Slack's guitar uses his RE-20 with its own settings settings (and
so I add no effects at the mixer, effects send = off).  His slapback
includes multiple echos (equivalent to the DD-3 FBACK setting to be above
the CCW setting).  (John, are you changing your echo settings during the
session?  Or leaving it at one all-purpose setting?)
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Ken, I leave it at one all purpose setting.  I have a hard enough time remembering how the song goes.



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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #79 on: April 24, 2008, 05:23:00 PM »
Finally saved up enough money (i.e. spent less than usual on toys for enough time for the spouse to wonder if I'd changed my ways) and shelled for an echo/delay: http://www.tcelectronic.com/NovaDelay.asp

Impressive piece of kit, feels more like an audio channel than a stompbox, it will seldom get near the floor. Finally, a digital delay that's 24 bit. It's a bit compressed sounding so far but I only just started fiddling with it and it has some control over dynamics. It passed the 'Mystery Train slapback picking' test with flying colors, got a real bark out of the Gretsch, heehee!

I'm having a lot of fun dialing in weird sounds, probably will end up with 4 or 5 retro-sounding presets. We're doing detours down the rockabilly route (not exclusively but everyone in the band loves rockabilly and retro generally) for a while. Crudup and Rosetta Tharpe too.

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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #80 on: April 29, 2008, 08:04:05 AM »
Fancy schmancy! No better sign of going off the dark, deep end than a digital delay pedal.   :P

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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #81 on: April 29, 2008, 07:21:41 PM »
You would not believe it. I am following in your footsteps, oh Great One...

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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #82 on: April 29, 2008, 08:53:47 PM »
I understand our drummer is putting together some more "Slack's Edge" distortion pedals -- I'll put in the good word for you.  :P

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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #83 on: April 29, 2008, 09:34:25 PM »
Please do send me one of those units. So far I'm pretty much in love with the tc electronic pedal thang, sounds llike an ultra-adjustable echoplex to me, best of both worlds. Good passthru too, you can hit one switch and switch the thing totally 'off' without pulling cables. The shipped presets are excellent.

CDs bought in the last week:
Wanda Jackson, several, old and new
Carl Perkins, Carl Rocks, Bear Family
Ronnie Hawkins, Ronnie Rocks, Bear Family
Hillbilly Boogie, Proper Records 4 cd box set

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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #84 on: April 29, 2008, 09:50:52 PM »
Hehe, you are hooked.

Which Hillbilly Boogie? Sony? or the Proper set?

Lemme know how the Ronnie Hawkins is - I don't have that one.

I'll ask him about the units -- I know he had printed circuit boards printed and was making a few (the keyboard player caught him making them in his shop - so I don't have the story yet)

I think you need to go to Wanda Jackson Roots of Rock workshop in Port Townsend with me - I may need some company my age!  :P

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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #85 on: May 07, 2008, 04:06:41 PM »
slack & rivers,
how's the echo boxes working for ya?
i think the two of you would enjoy (if ya don't already listen to them) moon mullican - 'moonshine jamboree' on ace, & curtis gordon - 'play the music louder' on bear family. two discs i've gotten within the last month, or so. great stuff!
chris
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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #86 on: May 07, 2008, 04:14:04 PM »
Thanks unez, I'll check him out!

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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #87 on: May 15, 2008, 12:07:01 PM »
I have just two words to add:
Sleepy LaBeef
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Re: Slackabilly's first gig
« Reply #88 on: May 15, 2008, 08:24:59 PM »
I have just two words to add:
Sleepy LaBeef

Ho!  you are right about Sleepy LaBeef, Bill.  Heard him play last October and he just tore the place up with some kind of swamp boogie... and he also did a great job on Clarence "Frogman" Henry's "Ain't Got No Home".  Thanks for the reminder -- must pick something up!

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