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Political Country Blues?
« on: October 26, 2005, 09:08:44 PM »
I was watching a video of Scott Ainslie who, just before playing dust my broom, told a good story.

In the second verse of the song, R. Johnson talks about a lady he's looking for and that he should look in China or Ethiopia for her.  What's interesting about this is that 6 months before the song was recorded, Haile Selassie, emperor of Ethiopia and "prophet of good will" as Ainslie puts it, was chased out of the country by Italian fascist forces (who by the way used extensive chemical warfare and even bombed red cross camps).  The ethiopian reference is obviously very emotional and political. Now I know folks like J.B. Lenoir did political songs in the 70s, but I'm wondering if anyone here knows of occurrences of such a thing in blues lyrics before that.

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The show I'm talking about is here: http://www.kennedycenter.com/programs/millennium/artist_detail.cfm?artist_id=SCOTAINSLE#Q  it's at 33 minutes something

More info on Haile Selassie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_of_Ethiopia

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Re: Political Country Blues?
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2005, 12:38:43 AM »
Hi Norman,
I don't know if an assumption can be safely made that Robert Johnson's reference to Ethiopia in "Dust My Broom" is emotional and political.  In the verse in question, Robert Johnson says
   I'm gonna call up China, see if my good gal is over there (2)
   If she ain't in the Philippine Islands she must be in Ethiopia somewhere
To me, the juxtaposition of such far-flung locations in a blues lyric in this context is just reaching for exoticism.  There is nothing political in Johnson's statement unless you consider the simple mention of Ethiopia to be political.  It's possible that Ethiopia having recently been in the news made its mention timely, but where do the Philipines and China fit in?  For this lyric to be considered either political or emotional, I think you have to be making heavy assumptions about subtext, especially since none of the other lyrics in the song pertain to it.  I think it is just as likely it is just nutty.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2005, 07:34:41 AM »
you are most probably right about this. Surely he caught the country's name on the news and just threw that in cause it sounded good. Now I still think it's interesting how the lyrics relates to political event like this one. Is there any more obvious correlation you can think of?

Vince

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Re: Political Country Blues?
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2005, 08:02:57 AM »
Hi Vince,

I suupose it depends on what is meant by political. I just finished reading Paul Oliver's Screening the Blues (highly recommended as a companion to his Blues Fell This Morning) and in the section on Blue Blues (i.e., bawdy blues) he briefly discusses the scarcity of protest songs in the blues. The context of that part of the chapter is more about possible censorship than political or protest content, and he allows the possibility that some protest stuff just didn't get recorded. But he notes that if there was censorship, the content would have likely made it out in some sublimated form.

One song that leaps to mind is Leadbelly's Bourgeois Blues. Little sublimation there.

There's a collection on Columbia called News and the Blues that has as its theme topical blues songs and has a few songs which might qualify as political: Big Bill Broonzy's Unemployment Stomp ("Oh when Mr Roosevelt sent out them unemployment cards/I just know it's sure that work was going to start"), Casey Bill Weldon's WPA Blues. Although those are pretty uptown, not exactly "country". There's also a track called Atomic Bomb Blues by Homer Harris recorded in Chicago in 1946, with a small band featuring Muddy Waters.

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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2005, 08:27:33 AM »
Big Bill also recorded Just A Dream and Get Back (Black Brown And White), both of which openly addressed the plight of Blacks under Jim Crow, and both of which were first recorded before WWII, when Bill was recording for an African-American audience.  Big Bill is the only major pre-war artist I can think of who recorded such overtly political songs.

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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2005, 08:53:46 AM »
Josh White recorded a number of political or protest blues, for example the album 'Southern Exposure' from 1941 with songs like Jim Crow Train, Bad Housing Blues and Defense Factory Blues.  This album is reproduced in its entirety on the Best of Blues Vol. 7: Josh White 1933-1941 (Wolf Records), along with other fine material from Josh, and is definitely worth a listen IMO.

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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2005, 09:21:31 AM »
Interesting discussion. I read 'somewhere' (was it A.Lomax?) some protest type material got sung informally but didn't make it to record for obvious reasons. Will try and find the reference when my books arrive.

If this is true you might expect some to show up in field recordings. Is it possible the Lomaxes and others were censoring what they recorded? Common sense tells me the players would have censored themselves.

Alan Lomax's paranoia is palpable in his writing, fearing for his safety on occasions. If you can imagine what that felt like up close it's really not surprising there were so few recordings made.

Given that it was so hard for Lomax to get permission to record even apolitical songs I can imagine where the early blues singers, their agents and record companies were coming from! Just don't go there...

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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2005, 09:25:42 AM »
Somewhere back in the neolithic period of Weenie I seem to remember someone posting a list (perhaps a list of titles from a CD) of blues that were over-the-top political. I just did a quick search of the oldies-but-goodies list and couldn't find it.  Rivers, you seem to be the biggest packrat of pre-forum Weenie nuggets in the group, does this ring a bell?

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Re: Political Country Blues?
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2005, 09:36:07 AM »
Hi Lindy,

Hope you're all recovered from the recent NOLA debacle.
Will dive into the dusty recesses of my hard drive and see what I can find.

Rivers.

Edit: Lindy, I found nothing in the first weenie list archives. Not on the Yahoo site either.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2005, 10:23:05 AM by Rivers »

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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2005, 09:58:39 AM »
Well I suppose one can't get more political than recording blues about an incumbent member of the White House. An entire book has been written? ?- Roosevelt Blues: African American Blues & Gospel Songs On FDR. (Guido van Rijn, Misissippi UP,? 1997) all 270 pages of it! Memphis Minnie's "Sylvester & His Mule" is fairly political. Bet black farmer Sylvester Harris in Mississippi never imagined that his telephone call to the White House in 1934 would not only make the news but be commented upon in a blues song.

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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2005, 10:21:42 AM »
Hi all,
It occurs to me that Charlie Patton's "Mean Black Moan" is about a strike and Lane Hardin's "Hard Times Blues" and Joe Stone's (J.D. Short's) "Hard Times" speak to times being hard in the general sense.  I don't think it is unrealistic to consider any statements that things were not going well outside of the normal blues context of "My baby left me" to be political.  Imagine the nerve of these guys, complaining about hard times!
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2005, 10:28:37 AM »
Leadbelly also has numerous other political songs, many of which fall into the category of folk music more than blues. But for slightly bluesier items, there's his Jim Crow Blues (and Jim Crow Blues #2, a different song!) and the Hitler Song. I'm sure there's others...

It's a later period of course, but branching off Bunker's mention of blues about FDR, there was a whole album on Testament of blues about President Kennedy following his assassination.

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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2005, 10:39:48 AM »
Here's the message I was thinking of, from Front Page. It's a song list from that News In the Blues CD that Uncle Bud referred to earlier today.

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There was a Sony Legacy CD issued a few yearws ago titled "News & the Blues: Telling It Like It Is" (out of print) that demonstrated the use of blues to convey information and misinformation about current events. Some others in the same series that are worth watching for include: the first parental guidance warning on a blues re-issue for "Raunchy Business: Hot Nuts & Lollipops" which contrasts nicely with "Preachin' the Gospel: Holy Blues" (also out of print).

Tracks on "Blues and the News" included:
  1.    Backwater Blues  performed by Bessie Smith - 3:18
  2.    Dope Head Blues  performed by Victoria Spivey - 3:13
  3.    If I Had My Way I'd Tear the Building Down  performed by Johnson, Blind Willie - 3:09
  4.    Frankie  performed by Hurt, Mississippi John - 3:22
  5.    God Moves on the Water  performed by Johnson, Blind Willie - 2:58
  6.    Groceries on the Shelf  performed by Lucille Bogan - 2:55
  7.    34 Blues  performed by Charley Patton - 2:55
  8.    W.P.A. Blues  performed by Weldon, Casey Bill - 3:15
  9.    Unemployment Stomp  performed by Broonzy, Big Bill - 2:35
  10.    '29 Blues  performed by Alfred Fields - 2:47
  11.    Joe Louis Special  performed by Jack Kelly - 2:23
  12.    Three Ball Blues  performed by Fuller, Blind Boy - 2:54
  13.    Parchman Farm Blues  performed by Bukka White - 2:38
  14.    Life of Leroy Carr  performed by Gaither, Little Bill - 2:48
  15.    Ma Rainey  performed by Memphuis Minnie - 2:42
  16.    Moonshine Man Blues  performed by Peter Cleighton - 2:57
  17.    In the Army Now  performed by Broonzy, Big Bill - 2:41
  18.    The Gambling Man  performed by O.M. Terrell - 2:55
  19.    Atomic Bomb Blues  performed by Homer Harris - 2:30
  20.    Homeless Blues  performed by Willie Smith - 3:10

Lots of news content there!

I was interested in your mention of Jake Leg - I read a lengthy article on the syndrome two or three years ago, but can't remember where. If I remember correctly, 'jake' was a Jamaican ginger extract (read alcohol solvent base!) sold as a medicinal remedy, but widely used during Prohibition as a means of achieving intoxication. Paralysis of the legs was an unfortunate side-effect that is also commonly associated with moonshine.

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Re: Political Country Blues?
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2005, 10:53:13 AM »
Hi Norman,
I don't know if an assumption can be safely made that Robert Johnson's reference to Ethiopia in "Dust My Broom" is emotional and political.? In the verse in question, Robert Johnson says
? ?I'm gonna call up China, see if my good gal is over there (2)
? ?If she ain't in the Philippine Islands she must be in Ethiopia somewhere
To me, the juxtaposition of such far-flung locations in a blues lyric in this context is just reaching for exoticism.? There is nothing political in Johnson's statement unless you consider the simple mention of Ethiopia to be political.? It's possible that Ethiopia having recently been in the news made its mention timely, but where do the Philipines and China fit in?? For this lyric to be considered either political or emotional, I think you have to be making heavy assumptions about subtext, especially since none of the other lyrics in the song pertain to it.? I think it is just as likely it is just nutty.
All best,
Johnm
I've been busting my brains trying to recall where I first read that theory concerning a lyrical connection with Haile Selassie's expulsion. Wherever expounded it was a mighty longtime ago (20+ years) and my mind's eye visualises a 'debunk' very much along the lines of the above (great minds and all that). I'm now gonna lose sleep over this, damn it!

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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2005, 11:22:00 AM »
What about a song like Red Cross Store?  Most people probably associate it with Fred McDowell, but I'm pretty sure it was recorded earlier by a guy named Sonny Scott, among (probably) others.

Just thinking out loud - Big Joe Williams' Providence Help The Poor People might be construed as political.

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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2005, 11:49:15 AM »
'He's in the Jailhouse Now' is about corrupt politicians (and other illegal activites: voting twice, bootlegging, bribery)

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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2005, 01:02:06 PM »
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Big Bill also recorded Just A Dream and Get Back (Black Brown And White), both of which openly addressed the plight of Blacks under Jim Crow, and both of which were first recorded before WWII, when Bill was recording for an African-American audience.  Big Bill is the only major pre-war artist I can think of who recorded such overtly political songs.

Hmmm...  I expressed myself very poorly in my previous post (quoted above).  What I meant to say was that I can't think of another major pre-war blues artist who recorded songs specifically commenting on the position of American blacks under the nation's Jim Crow laws and who did so while recording "race" records for a major label for the consumption of a black audience.  Both Josh White and Leadbelly recorded such songs at the time, but they recorded for a predominantly white, predominantly liberal audience.

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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2005, 01:30:44 PM »
Well I was very interested by this topic in part because I have, not too long ago, finished reading a book by James Scott called "Domination and the Arts of Resistance: Hidden Transcripts" (book that was discussed quite a bit in university circles I believe).  What I learned from that reading was, in fact, mostly methodological. When studying power and domination, you have to be really careful about the sources you use. 

The example used in the book was one closely linked to the music we all love, the black slaves in America. They were, in virtually all historical sources of the beginning of last century, described by nature and race as being disloyal and lazy.  But the obvious question is: why would they work hard? No reason.  The author encouraged researchers to use the ?hidden transcript?, songs being a big part of that whole portrait. 

I find it fascinating how the study of music recorded (or possibly censored as some of you mentioned) is such an integral part of serious historical, political and basically all social sciences studies.

Thanks for the ideas. I?ll give the juke a go and listen to a few of the examples you gave me.

Vincent

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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2005, 03:12:44 PM »
I'm not 100% I'm getting the collective sense of opinions here.  There are counter examples being thrown out (the Broonzy "black get back" being a top example), but does anyone disagree that there is a discrepancy in the recorded pre-war blues?  One might reasonably expect the blues (!) of a decidely oppressed populace to be full of sociopolitical commentary, but on the large whole it is not, I don't think.  I'm not trying to say anything declarative here, just trying to understand if others agree that there is a glaring discrepancy between expectation and observation (even if there are many good reasons for the discrepancy).  Or am I just too simple-minded and distracted by all the sexual innuendo?

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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2005, 04:08:14 PM »
A2tom -- Yes, there might be a discrepancy between recorded reality and expectation, but only for a naive person who has heard the word "blues" but not much of the music, has seen the Blues Brothers or other jokey acts, and thinks that "blue" in this context means "upset about things." And therefore that a politically and economically depressed and oppressed people ought to be upset, and singing about, political and economic injustice. Again, this is an understandable but naive viewpoint. The music really is about much deeper things than topical political matters or even economics. It's about love and relationships between men and women. And about detaching yourself and sardonically commenting on the ups and downs of love and other problems, and recognizing the cyclical nature of good and bad. People who write books and dissertations seeking political commentary or various other obscure themes in blues songs are examining the elephant's tail and missing the main part of the animal.

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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2005, 05:33:50 PM »
Hi all,
Another category of political blues lyrics that deals with conditions/values within the African American community are those lyrics that express anti-clerical sentiment, whether in a humorous guise, like Frank Stokes's "You Shall", more hard-edged, like Hi Henry Brown's "Preacher Blues" or Joe Taggart and Josh White's "Scandalous and a Shame", or Son House's "Preaching Blues", or verging on blasphemy, like Cat Iron's "Jimmy Bell" or "Catfish Blues". 
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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2005, 11:57:39 PM »
Big Bill also recorded Just A Dream and Get Back (Black Brown And White), both of which openly addressed the plight of Blacks under Jim Crow, and both of which were first recorded before WWII....
I'm confused (not unusual). I can find no recorded version of Black Brown And White recorded before that in Paris for Vogue Records on 20 September 1951. What he says on p.57-8 of Big Bill's blues is that he wrote it in 1945 but nobody approached (RCA, Decca and Columbia) would record it. The first American recording I can locate is that for Mercury in Chicago on 6 November 1951 but wasn't released until after his death on a compilation entitled "Remembering Big Big". Perhaps Robert Riesmann's forthcoming BBB biography will enlighten us about all this?

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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2005, 06:30:29 AM »
While not acoustic country blues, Willie King is a master of protest and is a modern rural player whose music is typical of the northern hill country of Mississippi, although I believe he lives just across the line in Alabama.  Check out his song Terrorism .  That is real political and just might surprise you.

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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2005, 11:41:47 AM »
Frank Stokes reworked WC Handy's paen to Memphis's Mayor Crump. Stokes's Mr Crump Don't Like It morphed the song into a lampoon of the mayor and his support base. I seem to recall Crump was trying to close down the barrelhouses, somebody here will have the full story. That's political.

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I can find no recorded version of Black Brown And White recorded before that in Paris for Vogue Records on 20 September 1951.

You're right, of course.  I was a few thousand miles from my reference library when I wrote that and, relying on my obviously faulty memory, I misremembered Bill's Mercury recording of that song as being a pre-war Columbia.  Dang!   :(

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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2005, 12:21:39 PM »
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I can find no recorded version of Black Brown And White recorded before that in Paris for Vogue Records on 20 September 1951.
You're right, of course.? I was a few thousand miles from my reference library when I wrote that and, relying on my obviously faulty memory, I misremembered Bill's Mercury recording of that song as being a pre-war Columbia.? Dang!? ?:(
It's ok I? know the 'faulty memory' syndrome only too well...
What it did do is made me give that Mercury LP a spin! (actually dated 1963, so "Get Back" waited 12 years? for Mercury to release it)

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