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Author Topic: Juke text errors  (Read 39247 times)

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lebordo

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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2005, 08:58:01 AM »
My swag is Chicken Wilson & Skeeter Hinton, which a google search "confirmed."
But I'll submit this instead:
The On-Line discography lists Paramount Race Series platter 12843 as:
A Side-George Wilson - "Chicken Wilson Blues" recorded 12/??/28
B Side-George Wilson & Jimmy Hinton - "House Snake Blues" recorded (1929 Pm)
Both sides show the composer as George Wilson.

These two songs were issued on both QRS R7052 (as by Chicken Wilson And Skeeter Hinton) and on Pm 12843 (as by George Wilson And Jimmy Hinton).  So either could be correct, depending on which record was used to remaster these tracks.  However, Chicken Wilson Blues should be as by both artists, not George Wilson alone.  The other four songs by this duo were issued only on QRS, with Myrtle Avenue Stomp and D.C. Rag issued as by Chicken Wilson and Skeeter Hinton, and Frog Eye Stomp and Station House Rag issued as by George Wilson and Jimmy Hinton (per Goodrich, Dixon and Rye's Blues & Gospel Records, 4th edition).

Another issue, not really a "text error" issue, but I'll mention it anyway.  I noticed that 9 tracks from the Bottles, Knives & Steel Vol 1 CD are duplicated in the Juke database.  18 of the 19 tracks on the CD (I assume the Robert Johnson track was intentionally omitted for copyright reasons) are listed under the album title Bottles, Knives & Steel Vol 1.  However, the following 9 tracks are also listed under the album title The Slide Guitar: Bottles, Knives & Steel:

1  Barbecue Bob - Untitled 
2  Buddy Woods - Don't Sell It (Don't Give It Away)
3  Buddy Woods with the Wampus Cats - Muscat Hill Blues 
4  Bukka White - Bukka's Jitterbug Swing   
5  Bukka White - Special Steam Line   
6  Sister O.M Terrell - Swing Low, Chariot   
7  Sylvester Weaver & Walter Beasley - St. Louis Blues 
8  Weaver and Beasley - Bottleneck Blues   
9  Weaver, Sylvester - Guitar Rag

Amazingly, when comparing the Juke tracks to the CD tracks, I noticed a couple of errors which are "on topic".

Bottleneck Blues under the Bottles, Knives & Steel Vol. 1 album title is incorrectly listed as by Blind Willie Johnson.  It should be listed as by Weaver And Beasley (according to the CD, and confirmed by label scan and B&GR, 4th ed.).  For what it's worth, the title is listed as Bottleneck Blues on the CD, but the actual title on the label is Bottle Neck Blues (i.e., Bottle Neck as two words, not one).

And a nit-pick, but St. Louis Blues is actually as by Weaver And Beasley too, rather than Sylvester Weaver & Walter Beasley (also confirmed with a label scan and by B&GR, 4th ed.).

Guitar Rag is correctly listed as by Sylvester Weaver alone (again confirmed by label scans and B&GR 4th.).

Offline Slack

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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2005, 09:08:09 AM »
Thanks Paul, will put the corrections on my stack.

There are quite a number of duplicated tracks.... because of different label compilations.  I started out running the Juke softwares's "find duplicate" tracks function - but soon diecided that no harm done by having some duplicate tracks - if any thing it weighs the playlist slightly in favor of tracks that are popular across labels. :)

Cheers,
Slack

lebordo

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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2005, 09:39:07 PM »
There are quite a number of duplicated tracks.... because of different label compilations.

Great if they are from different compilations/labels.  Frequently they are either remasterings from different source 78 (same or different original labels), or at least different remasterings from the same source 78.  Either way, they can sound quite different, and its interesting to see how the source record and the remastering skill can effect the outcome.

I found a couple today without album names:

1.  Will Batts - Country Woman (appears twice -- once with no album name and once with Memphis Masters album name; I can't easily find another album available with this track, and they sound the same, so I'm fairly confident they both came from Memphis Masters.

2. Aiken County String Band - High Sheriff (only one instance of this track, with no album name; I found several CDs listed on the net with this track, but don't know which [if any] this came from)

Offline Slack

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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2005, 07:19:23 AM »
Thanks Paul, got it on the stack.

lebordo

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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2005, 08:34:16 PM »
Here's a couple of more I stumpled on today, all in the 1927-30-Ragtime Blues Guitar album:

1.  There are 8 tracks listed as by Bill Moore William -- kind of confusing even if you know the artist.  I'd suggest changing to Bill Moore (William Moore), or perhaps William 'Bill' Moore.

2.  Just below the Bill/William Moore tracks in the "album" search results, there are a bunch of duplicate listings -- #14 a dupe of #13, #16 a dupe of #15, #18 a dupe of #17, and so on.  Can't see the full impact because of the problem doing next page on searches, but I suspect it is the rest of the album since the bottom of the first search result page says 1-25 of 42, and there probably aren't more than 25 total tracks on the CD.  Hopefully, there's a database maintenance tool that will let you see the entire 42 tracks for this album at once.

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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2005, 09:07:22 PM »
HI Paul,

Yea - what a mess!  Yes, I have a good database editor as part of the software -- so we squashed those errors.

Thanks!

lebordo

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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2005, 09:16:12 AM »
Ok, this one is really a spelling error:

Artist: Etta Baker
Album: One-Dime Blues
Track: Spainish Fandango 
Should be: Spanish Fandango ( without the first i ).

Guess my eyes are getting as old as the rest of me -- must have taken me ten minutes to figure out why I wasn't finding this track when I searched for Title=Spanish Fandango. Arrrrrrh!!!

lebordo

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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2005, 11:48:41 AM »
Here's an interesting one.

The Big Pill - Bow Leg Baby - Too Late, Too Late 1926-44

First, the artist should be Big Bill, not The Big Pill.

Second, the "buy" link takes you to an artist/album The Big Pill/The Big Pill instead of to the Document Too Late, Too Late 1926-44 album.  Had to go to the Document site to verify that this was, indeed, a Big Bill recording as I suspected.

Recommend checking all the other links on this album, too.  I tried 5 or 6 and none took me to the correct album.  The first one on the album list (Bessie Tucker, I think) took me to the Document home page.  The next (Big Bill) took me to a Lonnie Johnson Complete Recordings album, another (Blind Blake) took me to a Blind Blake complete Recordings album, etc.  None that I tried took me to Too Late, Too Late 1926-44.  [Perhaps this is intentional?, since the Document site lists this album as out of stock, but it certainly works differently than other "buy" links I've followed.]

lebordo

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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2005, 12:57:50 PM »
Not sure if it's worth making a change for this one or not, since apparently the error is with JSPs folks, but:

Famous Hokum Boys - Where Did You Stay Last Night - The Paramount Masters - CD C

First, according to Goodrich, Dixon and Rye's Blues & Gospel Records 1890-1943 4th ed., the Famous Hokum Boys never recorded this song.  Actually as by Georgia Tom And Jane Lucas. (Ok, so at least two of the Famous Hokum Boys participated, Georgia Tom and Big Bill on guitar).

Even more curious is that it wasn't recorded or issued by Paramount, so why is it on The Paramount Masters album at all?  Recorded by Gennett in Richmond, Indiana Nov 19 1930 and issued on Champion 16171, then reissued later on Champion 50015, Superior 2730, Savoy 501, Decca 7259 and dubbed onto Ge 5007.

lebordo

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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2005, 07:17:22 PM »
Another interesting one -- and again, may not need correction.  It does, as pointed out in the last paragraph below, represent just the tip of one of those proverbial icebergs.

 J. T. "Funny Paper" Smith - Bantam Rooster Blues - Texas Blues Guitar (1929-1935)

This is a Story Of Blues release from Document's library.  However, Bantam Rooster Blues is on Documents DOCD-5224 Texas Piano Vol 1 1923-1935, and credited to Bernice Edwards on DOCD5224 and in Goodrich, Dixon and Rye's Blues & Gospel Records, 4th ed. 

It is, indeed, a piano blues to my ears, with background guitar accompaniment.  And here is the connection to J. T. "Funny Paper" Smith -- seems J.T. used the pseudonym Howling Smith when playing guitar accompaniment to several singers, including Bernice Edwards.

Many CDs including ones attributed to Blind Blake, Big Bill, Charley Patton, and many others, include tracks where that artist is not really the credited artist -- but rather played a back-up roll.  Should we report these type problems and correct them to the primary artist as we come across them, or just let remain as is?

lebordo

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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2005, 09:12:57 PM »
Here's a different type problem.

If you request Rosetta Howard - When I Been Drinking - Booze And The Blues, the track that actually plays is the next track on the CD -- Lewis Black - Corn Liquor Blues - Booze And The Blues.

The Rosetta Howard track does displays as the current play.

I suspect there are other problems with this CD, too.  Let me know if you want to check them out, or would like me to.


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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2005, 09:15:06 PM »
Thanks Paul, got the Big Pill corrections.

I think we'll leave the record label mistakes as they are - otherwise it might get confusing trying to figure out what is what on a particular CD.

Cheers,
slack

boots

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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2005, 01:39:49 AM »
Hi! There,

This is an error although not in text. Its in answer to KyReeler in thread John Miller on the Juke.

Just confirming Ky's observation. I requested Titanic by JohnM today (1for Wednesday) and it segued into Policy Blues. Track time 6:50

Boots

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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2005, 02:54:13 PM »
I noticed that Pat Conte is listed as the artist on all cuts of Gary Davis Style, But if you go to River Lark and scroll down you'll see the following track list:
 "Throwing Up My Hands" - Ari Eisinger
"South Carolina Rag" - Willie Walker
"Rag Mama Rag" - Blind Boy Fuller w/Davis
"Let Us Get Together" - Ken Whiteley & friends
"Light Of This World" - Maria Muldaur w/ Ernie Hawkins
"Will There Be Stars In My Crown" - Ernie Hawkins
"Pure Religion" - Eric Noden
"Devil's Dream" - Pat Conte
"I Heard The Angels Singing" - William Lee Ellis
"United States March" - Ellen Britton
"Sit On The Banks/Buck Dance" - Mary Flower
"Twelve Gates To The City" - Cephas & Wiggins
"Hesitation Blues" - Ian Buchanin w/ the Otis Brothers
"Gary Davis Style" - Perry Lederman
"Samson I" - Peter Paul & Mary
"Samson II" - Mitch Greenhill & Mayne Smith
"God Knows How Much We Can Bear" - Penny Lang & friends Phyllis Hall
"Hesitation Blues/Where'd You Get Your Liquor" - Jerry Ricks
"Soon My Work Will All Be Done" - Dave van Ronk & friends
"I Will Do My Last Singing" - Rick Ruskin
Some great folks playin' on this compilation.
All for now.
John C.
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Re: Juke text errors
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2005, 02:57:53 PM »
Thanks Wax, that durn CDDB.  - Will fix.

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