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Author Topic: If You See My Saviour, tablature  (Read 3755 times)

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Offline dave stott

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If You See My Saviour, tablature
« on: February 27, 2006, 09:47:23 AM »
I have been trying to figure out the chords for the song on Ari Eisingers CD... titled "If You See My Saviour"

I have also seen it recorded as "I'm on my way"....

anyone have a clue on the tab??

thanks

Dave

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Re: If You See My Saviour, tablature
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2006, 06:31:03 PM »
...dave, email ari ... ari@secondmind.com ... and ask him if he'll do the song in a phone lesson ... he's done those in the past

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Re: If You See My Saviour, tablature
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2006, 06:28:38 AM »
Hi Dave

This is a nice one!

I think (but could be wrong) that Ari plays in standard tuning and has a capo on the II nd fret, playing in the key of D in "C position" roughly as follows:

intro:

[| C Am | D9/A G7 | C C7 F Fm | C  |]

the 16-bar chorus

[|:  C      |  C7         |  F            | F  (F#dim)|

|   C/G    | Am D9/F# |  G7          |  G7          |

|   C       | C7          |   F           | F  (F#dim)|

| C/G Am |  D7/A G7  | C C7 F Fm |  C          :|]

On G7 the chord is only played on beat one, followed with various tasty fills.

The F#dim is on the last beat of the bar as a transition to the next chord. Could be that it's only a chromatic bass note rather than the actual whole chord.

If you do take the phone lesson, please tell me if I'm anywhere near the truth!

I don't have Georgia Tom Dorsey's version, so I don't know how it might be different. Those who do, please comment.

Yours

Pan

Edited to transpose in the key of C, as suggested by Uncle Bud
« Last Edit: April 12, 2007, 06:39:34 AM by Pan »

Offline Bunker Hill

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Re: If You See My Saviour, tablature
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2006, 11:34:51 AM »
I don't have Georgia Tom Dorsey's version, so I don't know how it might be different. Those who do, please comment.
I have the Dorsey but not the other version under discussion. Not being a musician, even if I did I would only be qualified to comment on lyric/approach not tabulation or technique. However, there's a 20 page musicological discussion and notations of Thomas Dorsey's three different sheet music versions of his original composition to be found in Michael Harris's The Rise Of Gospel Blues; The Music Of Thomas Andrew Dorsey In The Urban Church (Oxford UP, 1992).
Dorsey's original release was first made available on vinyl by Yazoo (L-1041) see: http://www.wirz.de/music/yazoofrm.htm but Steve Calt's sleeve notes only make passing mention to it as "...the first fruits of Dorsey's post Depression decision to pursue a career as a sacred composer.

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Re: If You See My Saviour, tablature
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2006, 09:05:37 PM »
Those who were fortunate enough to attend the Port Townsend workshop a couple years back when Ari was there, and who attended a free-for-all class he did under the heading "Pick My Brains" would have seen him do this at the end of the class and briefly break down the basic chord structure (thanks to a request from Lindy). It's a great song and the version he did at Port Townsend is even better, IMO, with more intricate, raggy guitar work, a nice break, and more moving bass lines. Pan has the chords right I believe, but they'd need to be transposed to C, as Ari does indeed play it out of a C position.

The Thomas Dorsey version is on the Juke (as is Ari's arrangement) but look for "Savior" if you're searching by keywords for the Dorsey. Whoever added Ari's CD to the juke must have had Canadian or British software.  :P  The Dorsey version sounds like it has the same progression to me, although I didn't listen that carefully.

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Re: If You See My Saviour, tablature
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2006, 03:57:14 AM »
Thanks Uncle Bud!

The Dorsey version (from the"Goodbye Babylon" _CD) on the Juke is in the key of F. The chord changes also are more straightforward with just the I, IV and V chords, except for the I - I7 - IV - IVm turnaround.

Pan

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Re: If You See My Saviour, tablature
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2006, 04:11:29 AM »
On Ari's version played in C position with a capo on 2nd fret
At 4th bar I did not hear a F# dim chord but just a lick in F (F7) position 

What do you think ?

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Re: If You See My Saviour, tablature
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2006, 04:48:20 AM »
Hi Yves

I'm hearing (transposed in C) the bass line moving chromatically: F - F# - G. I do hear the chord changes as F7 - F#dim - C/G.

But the F# is just on the very last beat of the bar, so I guess you could think of it just as a chromatic passing note on the bassline instead of an independent chord.

Don't you agree on the F# bass note on the beat 4? If you do, how would you describe the chord changes otherwise? I personally tend to think of an F7 chord with F# on the bass as F#dim, but this is just how I've learned to do things, so educate me if there's a better way.

What do others think?

Yours

Pan

Edited to add: the chord shape I'm hearing on beat 4 is: 2x12xx (with capo on II).
« Last Edit: March 17, 2006, 05:03:50 AM by Pan »

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Re: If You See My Saviour, tablature
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2006, 06:08:26 AM »
When Ari went over this at Port Townsend, he included the diminished chord. He also said, "you could leave it out." I like it in there.

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Re: If You See My Saviour, tablature
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2006, 06:38:52 AM »
Thanks Uncle Bud

I have transposed the song to the key of C, as you suggested earlier.

I think that if one wishes, one could call the chord in question a "B7/F#" with the root missing, but since A.E.,according to Uncle Bud, himself refers to it as "F#dim" this is of course purely academic.

Aren't you guys lucky to be able to study in person with players like Ari Eisinger!

Yours

Pan

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Re: If You See My Saviour, tablature
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2006, 09:43:13 AM »
Pan, Ari will be at the EBA workshop/festival and one other in England this summer, I believe. He hasn't done Port Townsend or any other workshop in the US in a few years. We just have good memories of the two he did.

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Re: If You See My Saviour, tablature
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2006, 12:49:58 PM »
Hi

FWIW I just heard the Buddy Moss version on the Juke (titled "On My Way"); it's in C.  Chords pretty much as with Dorsey.

Pan
« Last Edit: March 27, 2006, 03:11:29 AM by Pan »

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Re: If You See My Saviour, tablature / But Thye Got It Fixed Right On
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2006, 10:46:06 PM »
Ari uses that diminished chord a lot. He uses it in But They Got it Fixed Right On. I play it xx121x but you could play it in it's common form of xx1212 but the high F# doesn't sound as good to me. You could also put a low F# in there as well 2x121x. I think xx121x makes the chord a bit more ambiguous as you could also think of it as a 7th, in this case F7. If anyone is interested I've tabbed out the first lead break (intro) to But They Got It Fixed Right On and am happy to email it to anyone (it's a pdf file)
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