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Weenie Campbell Main Forum / Re: Guitar / Fiddle Duets
« Last post by Johnm on April 20, 2021, 06:45:39 AM »
Hi That Guy,
I'm glad that you have learned from some of the video lessons I've done, but based on your own description of where your playing is currently, I'd recommend less focus on preparing to perform and more focus on simply becoming a more accomplished and skillful player. Putting the focus there rather than on performing will make what you have to offer when you do start performing that much stronger, and as a result, the reception you'll receive from audiences will be more positive. You have plenty of time to perform in the future--in the meantime, do the work needed to become a better player. Good luck with this.
All best,
Weenie Campbell Main Forum / Re: Guitar / Fiddle Duets
« Last post by ThatGuy on April 20, 2021, 04:46:51 AM »
To respond to a couple of things that came up here; I'm not expressing distaste for boom-chang songs, and will admit that I've done little-to-no work on my boom-chang playing. As a style though it isn't something that works for me at the moment, for a few reasons in decreasing order of relevance;

1  Country Blues is my interest, not my wife's! I can maybe get her to accompany me for a couple of songs, if they're the right songs. But I think it will feel like I'm stitching her up if I'm boom-changing standard chord changes and getting her to leg-work in any song

2 Also because of the above, fiddle-accompanied songs will only ever make up a tiny portion of my set. If we were regularly performing as a two-piece I would be all over boom-chang playing, but for a song or two I think there has to be a couple of really compelling songs out there that we can work on and upload for internet point

3 I'm a guitarist, so what I'm compelled by, and what I listen to is guitar-driven. If I'm honest I'm probably 51% into the intricate guitar-playing and 49% into the blues

4 I talk a big game but I am very early in my CB journey. Waxwing said "It seems some of us have forgotten the exuberance of always wanting the next song you learn to be an exciting challenge?" and that really resonates with me. I've finally got to a position where I can learn the songs I want to learn, rather than what I need to learn to build a platform to work from, and I want to exploit that while I have the momentum. It is only very recently that I started trying to put together a couple of 'B' songs, that I just hold onto until I'm gigging.

5 In relation to all of the above, it is going to be a long time before gigs comes back in Ireland, but I'm aiming on having a set together to bring into next year when there should be some life back in the industry. At the moment that means I can use all of my time really getting to grips with a lot of the different styles on challenging (for my level) songs, so that when the time comes I can transfer that to a complete set. I will be spending the intervening time building a profile on social with 'A' material that I can use next year to get a couple of gigs, hopefully.

Lockdowns have recently given me the opportunity to finally give all of this a proper go after years of trying to get songs together without getting the feel right or being able to sing properly while I play, and I finally like I'm getting there, thanks in no small part to Johnm's works.

@Johnm I'm still having a hard time forgiven you for putting Spike Driver Blues as the first song your MJH set on Stefan Grossman though. I've been playing that for around 3 years and only got it together recently
Gitfiddles, Harps, Washboards & Kazoos / Re: Acoustic Stompbox
« Last post by ThatGuy on April 20, 2021, 01:58:36 AM »
I'd build a footdella, but I don't think I could pull off Jesse Fuller's opening monologues so it just wouldn't feel right!

Stuart, that's probably closest to what I'm looking for. Something just to give a pulse, but with no moving parts
Gitfiddles, Harps, Washboards & Kazoos / Re: Acoustic Stompbox
« Last post by Stuart on April 19, 2021, 04:49:51 PM »
"Resonance" is the key word here. I never used one, but I assume standing or sitting would make a difference. I'd probably start with something with a 1" lift/gap at one end and 2" plus at the other--with solid sides, cut at a taper.  And maybe start with a 1/2" plywood top and see how that works--you can always go heavier or lighter, depending. I'd put a bottom on it so it doesn't collapse, reinforcing the corners. As for size, it's your call.

I think Catfish Keith uses one, so you might check out his videos.
Weenie Campbell Main Forum / Re: Guitar / Fiddle Duets
« Last post by waxwing on April 19, 2021, 04:29:34 PM »
It seems some of us have forgotten the exuberance of always wanting the next song you learn to be an exciting challenge? And also maybe having the desire for positive feedback from the audience. Having been in several jug bands I have played a lot of boom-chang, and played well, I might add, always conscious of the soloist or the band mix. I can't tell you how many times I've been complimented on how well I held down the beat for the band. Well, because it never happened.

Sure, I, personally would consider learning a Walter Vinson boom-chang guitar part as a challenge, especially in E flat or whatever, with that single note bass run in the intro, and then a run down to the 4 chord, and, well, that's usually about it. Just not the same as transcribing lyrics and arrangement, then learning Stop and Listen, and performing with a hot fiddler. Definitely a great challenging experience.

Actually, inspired by this topic, I just reviewed the first 3 of 4 volumes of the Sheiks on Document, and a 1992 compilation, Stop and Listen. I picked out about 17 songs from well over 60 that seemed like they would present a good challenge, to me, or to any other learning guitarist. Some of these have boom-chang but may have interesting instrumental breaks, or just more than the standard two runs. Some do have a different style of backing. Three that I picked out had Bo Carter on guitar and were clearly different. Stop and Listen, and the two remakes, "#2" and "New", really stand out as stellar recordings. The interplay between the guitar and fiddle is thrilling at times. I want to spend some time going through the list, and I might received a cd copy of volume 4 so I can incorporate. Of the 17 there are maybe 3 or 4 different types that they fall into. Once I have sorted them I'll list on this topic.

I am not dissing Walter Vincson in any way. He is one of the greats. Terrific voice, great time, always solid and occasionally really stellar guitar. But comparing Stop and Listen to Please Baby in terms of interest to a guitar player? Go ahead, listen to them back to back.

I'm sure I'll play lots of boom-chang in the future. Playing jug on a rack makes it a little more challenging.


Gitfiddles, Harps, Washboards & Kazoos / Re: Acoustic Stompbox
« Last post by Johnm on April 19, 2021, 03:43:22 PM »
Why not just hire a volunteer to count from one to four for the duration of each song?
Gitfiddles, Harps, Washboards & Kazoos / Re: Acoustic Stompbox
« Last post by waxwing on April 19, 2021, 03:14:58 PM »
I don't know when the last time you busked was Johnm, but pavement and asphalt don't cut it in the resonance department.

TG, Ive seen a lot of street singers who have created various gizmo's to meet the need of having their foot stomp heard. Easiest is a bass drum with a foot pedal. Try bay for a used kid size drum with pedal. Some folks use a ride cymbal, but then put a tambourine on it. Try googling "cymbal with a foot pedal" which brought up some interesting images that may lead you to a solution you can create yourself. Hey, if you want to add bass at the same time construct a footdella like Jesse Fuller. You should also look around various jug band group sites as they also usually incorporate one man band info and discussion. Also search around Weenie Campbell (look at the Tag Index for footdella or foot pedal, etc) as I know we have had several similar discussions in the past.

Weenie Campbell Main Forum / Re: Guitar / Fiddle Duets
« Last post by Johnm on April 19, 2021, 03:08:00 PM »
I"m glad you said what you said, Thomas. Different horses for different courses. If boom-chang is so easy, why don't more people play it better?
all best,
Weenie Campbell Main Forum / Re: Guitar / Fiddle Duets
« Last post by Stuart on April 19, 2021, 12:57:13 PM »
Hi Thomas8: Speaking for myself, it's not a distaste, but the sense that what ThatGuy is referring to doesn't fill the bill with respect to the sound he's after when playing duets with his wife on fiddle.

I think there are many songs where boom-chang is preferable and anything else would be over-playing the guitar. And of course in a string band, how many notes do we really need before the sound becomes cluttered? That's what solo breaks are for, if one chooses to take one.
Weenie Campbell Main Forum / Re: Guitar / Fiddle Duets
« Last post by Thomas8 on April 19, 2021, 12:25:24 PM »
I don't understand this distaste for boom-chang accompaniments, if the rhythms right it's far more enjoyable than finger picking and it serves the song that much more. I think it's similar to opinions on Jimmy Reeds accompaniment style, folks may disagree with me here but when you get a Jimmy Reed Chicago "lump" in the pocket it's more rewarding than any fancy bend or lick you could do, you might not turn as many heads but achh who needs turned heads.
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