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Title: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: David Kaatz on December 15, 2014, 03:21:50 PM
Just saw this on FB.
http://youtu.be/d0w4otJ1uVw (http://youtu.be/d0w4otJ1uVw)
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Stuart on December 15, 2014, 03:49:03 PM
Thanks for the post, Dave. I saw something about Vol. 2 last week in the Fretboard Journal newsletter, but didn't follow up on it as time was tight. Here's another link or two or three:

http://www.thirdmanrecords.com/news/the-rise-and-fall-of-paramount-records-volume-2-1928-1932/ (http://www.thirdmanrecords.com/news/the-rise-and-fall-of-paramount-records-volume-2-1928-1932/)

http://thirdmanstore.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-paramount-records-volume-2 (http://thirdmanstore.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-paramount-records-volume-2)

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/19889-the-rise-fall-of-paramount-records-volume-two-1928-1932/ (http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/19889-the-rise-fall-of-paramount-records-volume-two-1928-1932/)

A PDF file of the track list is attached.

Now all I need is next week's winning lottery numbers and it's all mine!
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: hms on December 16, 2014, 05:30:37 AM
Gosh, looks wonderful.
Trouble is by the time you get it to the UK it's an additonal 50% on top.
Would be nice if they could release an economy version without the fripperies.
h
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: wreid75 on December 16, 2014, 10:58:18 AM
at that price it should come with a gift card for a steak dinner and complementary bottle of KY jelly
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: tinpanallygurl on December 16, 2014, 11:14:26 AM
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Would be nice if they could release an economy version without the fripperies

See that is the thing.  The fripperies are the low cost items that allow the price to swell to 400 dollars making a dandy lil profit.  If it was done stripped down (economy model if you will) then it wouldn't be such a money maker.  Kind of like Nike Air Jordans cost less than 2 bucks to make but sell for $200.  They aren't in the business of selling a discount model.  The display and other materials that can be produced inexpensively are added to fluff the price up.  If it was just a normal looking flash drive filled with the music there wouldn't be enough value added stuff to sell to the small population of people who love this music.  If it were Lady Ga Ga then yes.  So if we want the goods we have to relax, take a deep breath and reach for our ankles.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: hms on December 17, 2014, 02:13:21 AM
But then one has to ask if all the work to produce the recordings is then only made available to 5,000 people who can afford it, how will the music be heard and appreciated?

Yes, produce sets with fripperies to cover costs, I believe Vol 2 is limited to 5,000 so I assume that covers costs. Then produce affordable sets for everyone else. With the costs covered by the 5,000 boxed sets, anything above that would be profit. 8 boxed sets of 4 CD's should do it, sell them by subscription to ensure people buy the complete set maximising profit.
 
The music was meant to be heard not locked up in boxes!

h
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: tinpanallygurl on December 17, 2014, 05:27:53 AM
The devils advocate would say that the music is already available spread out in many sources other than the box set.  However I what you are saying and I agree.

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But then one has to ask if all the work to produce the recordings is then only made available to 5,000 people who can afford it, how will the music be heard and appreciated

This is marketed to people that have a National and a Stella on the wall that they never play, and a collection of other expensive guitars they do.  This is marketed to those that will drop $2000 or more on a 78 record without batting an eye.  This is marketed to those who can easily fly to any global blues convention to mingle.  This is marketed to those who have been making royalties long dead country blues player.  This is marketed to those who have written books, articles, and liner notes.  This is marketed to those who will drop $200 on the Calt and Wardlow and $500 on Faheys Patton book just to have it in a collection.  This book is written for those who sell very expensive prints of photographs from the 1960s-80s.  This book is written for those who have produced very expensive works of art where even the prints are expensive.

This isn't for those who just love the music and are not financially well off.  Like the Charley Patton set that now retails on amazon for over $600 or the centennial edition Johnson set that retails for $700, this isn't meant for everyone.  That leaves a lot of people in the shadows but no one involved is concerned about that.  This is a Lexus, and Lexus never makes their products available to the other 93%.  It is a great product but it obviously wasn't made for the majority of country blues fans. 

This was made for the elite.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: alyoung on December 17, 2014, 06:26:49 AM
Ummm... I've written books, articles and liner notes. I've also got a Stella and a National, and I've got Calt/Wardlow and Fahey. So I guess I'm in your sights, but please, ma'am ... don't shoot! I can offer no excuse for the writing -- I just went right on and did it. But I DO play the guitars (rather a lot), and I bought the books new at standard bookshop prices. And I'm not elite, and I'm truly cross-my-heart-and-hope-to-die not never ever gonna buy the Paramount set. Honest!

Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: TonyGilroy on December 17, 2014, 07:21:21 AM

The bizarre thing for me is downloads in a big expensive box.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Lastfirstface on December 17, 2014, 07:21:55 AM

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This is a Lexus, and Lexus never makes their products available to the other 93%. 

They do actually, they're called Toyotas. :)
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: harriet on December 17, 2014, 08:34:56 AM
IMHO they missed including either a layered commemorative regional "sand art" bottle of soil from different regions representing the artists or a pendant from some still available material from the old Paramount archives - on a chain made from railroad ties from that era. And a complimentary bottle of snake oil tonic.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: tinpanallygurl on December 17, 2014, 09:06:20 AM
Didn't know that the word elite would ruffle feathers so much.  Usually in the presence of men I come across thicker skin.  I really don't have a bulls eye out for anyone, hell I don't even have a gun ;), but anywho.  I would have loved the bottle of soil, sand art, chain made from railroad ties and the rest.  Especially the snake oil, it might help alleviate a headache I just got.  I am sure the cost per song isn't nearly as expensive since no one paid to have it recorded and the artists are not being compensated for their contributions.  If you have done any of the activities that I listed that struck such a sensitive chord then good for you.  Hell this is the 21st century and anyone upset please don't be.  You made the most of your opportunities, interests, collections, and what not.  Keep it up.  Some have even figured out how to make a buck off of this music which is there is no shortage of ways to make buck.  I am just saying that this collection isn't intended for all of us who love this music.  It is intended for the collectors who will pay a premium. 

Those of us that have a 78 collection from found at thrift stores, cheap guitars, Walmart art and family photos that were free on our walls are not the people that this box is targeted for.  I never said the word rich and if you read my paragraph I pointed out peoples success.  Are we at the point in history where pointing out where people have been successful is cause for being defensive?  Really?  And I am a woman.  I am an expert on becoming defensive about things I shouldn't be defensive about.  That is one of the things women like me enjoy escaping by hanging with the boys, thin skin.  Scott, I do I hope you get that Bentley.  Who wouldn't look good behind the wheel of a Bentley. :-*
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Stuart on December 17, 2014, 10:02:59 AM
I wonder if the set had been packaged differently would there be as much negative reaction against it. Scott makes a good point regarding the cost per song. 800 songs / 25 songs per CD = 32, and 32 X $15 per CD = $480--even at $10 per CD that's $320. Add $25 each for the books and we're close to the sticker price. I was lucky enough to be able to download the PDF files of the books that go with Vol. 1 when they were still available, and they do add value to the set, IMHO.

I'm also curious as to the production cost(s), and the details of the individual purchasers, but these are things I'll never know--or will lose any sleep over.

Perhaps if Smithsonian-Folkways had brought it out in several individual volumes with the books offered separately, it would be more acceptable to some of us and wouldn't come off as overpriced gimcrack--although the content (actual music and original art, ads, etc.) certainly doesn't meet the definition of such.

Live and let live. To each his or her own. (--Opinions, as well as music.)
 
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: alyoung on December 17, 2014, 02:07:24 PM
Oh dear. Didn't know that a small piece of flippancy would attract such a petulant response. No ruffled feathers, Tinpanalleygurl. It was humor, a little joke, irony .... oh yeah.  Ah well ... you have a Happy Christmas.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: harriet on December 17, 2014, 06:39:44 PM
I hope no one took my remarks as more than humor as well- it seems a very well thought as to what they put in the package and a well assembled labor of love. I hope its well received, read and listened to by those who are gifted with it or choose to buy it.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Fkeller on December 18, 2014, 12:33:48 PM
I got mine today and I couldn't be happier.  I'll post my very quick little review/synopsis which I posted on another forum.  Ultimately, whether it's worth it to you to buy this is a very subjective and arguable point.  I do believe that what you get for $400 (as pointed out earlier, $.50 per re-mastered song) makes it a good value IF you have this kind of disposable income. 

(posted to Mandolin Cafe earlier today)

Just got Volume 2 today--it was my 50th B'day present and was late due to manufacturer issues. I tell you what, it's awesome. It's not NECESSARY, but it's awesome.

Comes in a sleek, metal Art-Deco style case that looks like a portable phonograph. It has a bunch of LP's with a selection of the music on it. A big, hardback, nearly coffee-table-sized book the first half of which contains essays about Paramount, a few of its artists, the context for the music, and other pithy, interesting observations. The second half are reproductions of advertising flyers, sales brochures, record labels and all sorts of other ephemera.

The other book, oversized catalog-style paperback, contains comments, facts, histories, recording data on all the artists. There is a USB stick at the bottom, the case for which looks like a very sleek hood ornament :D.

The USB has all the music: 800 tracks, all re-mastered by Grammy-award-winning Airshow Mastering. You can access the mp3's directly or you can use the nifty proprietary web interface that allows you to create your own playlists, listen to a random "radio" show, or listen to pre-selected playlists (for example, there is a playlist for each LP if you don't have or want to bother with a turntable).

Sound quality will never be great on these old tracks. Paramount used the cheapest gear and the cheapest materials to make their records. But the re-mastering is welcome and obvious.

I think it's a marvelous showcase of this material. Whether or not it's "worth" $400 is completely up to you, your budget, and your tastes, but there's 40 CD's worth of music on this set (not just blues either) and at $15 a CD, that's $600. I don't see that as a bad value even if you choose to pass for whatever very valid reason you might choose.

That's my thumbnail sketch at any rate. I'm lucky; I have no kids and more disposable income for this kind of thing. I'm pleased as all get-out to own this nifty little beauty. Back to listenin'...
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: harriet on December 18, 2014, 02:05:52 PM
FKeller the box it comes in is an aluminum replication of an RCA phonograph - I got that from the link that Stuart posted - the third one.  Here's a link to the info about it. Happy Birthday:

RCA Special Model K Portable Electirc Phonograph (http://www.brooklynmuseum.org/opencollection/objects/2290/RCA_Victor_Special_Model_K_Portable_Electric_Phonograph)
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Pan on December 18, 2014, 02:13:52 PM
Happy Birthday, Fkeller!

Cheers

Pan
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Stuart on December 18, 2014, 03:49:50 PM
Happy Birthday--may the next 50 years be as good as--if not better than--your first 50. --And thanks for the review. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: jopoke on December 18, 2014, 06:51:51 PM
The first set has cycled through a local music store multiple times. Folks buy it,
copy the USB drive, and sell it back. It was interesting to see how the buyers only wanted the music and didn't care about the odds and ends included in the packaging.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Fkeller on December 18, 2014, 08:45:09 PM
Thanks for the birthday wishes!  It was back in Nov. but the set didn't ship til late last week :) 

Fred
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: hms on December 31, 2014, 08:08:38 AM
Just to close this, I have found JSP records have a boxset, Paramount masters 100 tracks over 4 cd boxset, around ?15.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Paramount-Masters-Various-Artists/dp/B0001LGVYW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420041823&sr=8-1&keywords=paramount+masters (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Paramount-Masters-Various-Artists/dp/B0001LGVYW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420041823&sr=8-1&keywords=paramount+masters)

If you scroll down, you will find a tracklist for the CD's

Oddly enough, their PO box is located about half a mile from me!

H

Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: wreid75 on December 31, 2014, 10:13:38 AM
"Oddly enough, their PO box is located about half a mile from me!"

And now we all know how to find you >:D
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: hms on December 31, 2014, 11:16:55 AM
Half mile is quite a large radius!
Is that weird75 or wreid75? :)
H
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Johnm on December 31, 2014, 11:44:14 AM
Hi hms,
The JSP Paramount set is a fine one, and as you noted, the price is certainly right.  If that set is still available, you can't go wrong with it.
All best,
Johnm
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: hms on January 01, 2015, 08:25:43 AM
Yes, slowly working my way through it.
H
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: wreid75 on January 02, 2015, 07:05:08 AM
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Is that weird75 or wreid75?

touch?
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Willie Poor Boy on January 19, 2015, 08:03:26 AM
These things are really neat don't get me wrong but if there are 1600 songs total in the two sets, at 3 minutes a song, that would be roughly 80 hours of music to sift through.  That is like a two week full time job at the end of which you will have listened to each song only once--which is hardly enough to really appreciate any of it much less lets the tracks best suited to your tastes assert themselves.

Having the entire catalogue would allow one to experience a wide swath of popular music without filters but there is a lot to be said for curated disks.  Yazoo, Dust to Digital, Revenant's American Primitive offerings, and greatest of all: Smith's Anthology of American Folk Music--I've had more enjoyment listening to those mere selections than to listening to hours of aggregated disks, even when they are "Complete Recorded Works: 1928 - 1933, Volumes 1 through 5" of absolute favorite players.

As far as the price of the Paramount sets, if there is such a thing as the "Air Show Remasters" then this limited pressing won't be the last time they are made available.  It is probably like high end electronics--it is prohibitively expensive until enough bleeding edge adopters have bought in and then companies can afford to sell the next generation of their product for less.  A no frills version is just a matter of annoying patience. 
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Gilgamesh on January 25, 2015, 09:10:31 AM
5000 copies is considered "limited"?

$400 for a USB drive and some extras does not seem very enticing to me. There is no way that these things will hold their value in the future.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: wreid75 on January 27, 2015, 12:25:27 PM
There is already a black market.  I know that flash drives with the music is already available from both sets with high quality reproductions of all of the stuff minus the LPs and box for 50 bucks in Asheville NC.  The same reproductions are going to be in Boston, Atlanta, Memphis, and New Orleans this weekend.  Not saying that this is right but it is what it is.  Just like there is a black market for cigarettes here in the United States that are cheaper than what the stores sell and moonshine has always been available.  When ever something is priced too high an alternative presents itself. 
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Rivers on February 05, 2015, 07:22:25 PM
Who am I to judge? I have everything on the discs already after collecting CDs for years. The collateral wrapped around this collection interests me not one jot. If I had nothing, and was motivated to build a collection pretty fast, I might go for it. But I still wouldn't have half of what I'd accumulated from labels other than Paramount, from eras beyond the demise of Paramount. I daresay Jack White's heart's in the right place, though it does seem a tad pricey and hugely overdone to the point of, dare I say it, hype.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: poymando on February 05, 2015, 09:58:04 PM
"collateral wrapped around this collection"
FWIW, I think the music is of lesser interest than the books and artwork included with each set.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: wreid75 on February 06, 2015, 06:30:11 AM
"FWIW, I think the music is of lesser interest than the books and artwork included with each set."

For the savvy web user you can get everything in this set for free online.  Its pretty easy to get rid of watermarks now with dirt cheap or open source software.  Same with the music.  I have friends that privately say that they will only pay for music, artwork, and photographs concerning country blues if the descendents of the musicians get a cut.  Since that is almost NEVER the case they won't pay.  I myself don't want to keep an attorney on retainer to fight off Levere and others if caught pirating it.  I get it though, why pay a very rich white man money for music made 80 years ago when that person did absolutely nothing to create or produce that music and the person who did died in poverty and constant oppression. 
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: wreid75 on February 06, 2015, 10:51:18 AM
Well people have been buying led zepplin albums for over 40 years and paying the entire time for music that was stolen.  The musicians and/or heirs were still alive then to have benefited from having their music reproduced.  It might be hypocritical but I have yet to ever meet an individual and know them for any period of time without finding many things about them that they are hypocritical about, self included.  Being hypocritical about this is far less severe than a hypocritical arms or drug dealer.  That said, if I stumbled upon Sorry Blues/Grandma blues and Kicking in my Sleep/window blues with Willie Brown's photograph at a Goodwill store you can bet your sweet ass that I would make as much as I can off of it.  All I would have done was be lucky enough to know about the missing records and be in the store at the right time.  If someone later photo shopped a copy of the image and burned a copy of the songs for their own use I would have a lot of balls suing them for doing it. 


Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: frankie on February 06, 2015, 02:33:03 PM
Perhaps intemperate, but my opinion, nonetheless.

There's no way I would actually spend money OR waste any time on the planet WISHING I had the money to spend on this set.

Paramount was, first and foremost, a FURNITURE company. They cared not one whit about the quality of the records they produced and it is a pure fluke of history (not to mention a CRUEL JOKE) that it is some of THEIR carelessly pressed discs that occasionally contain some of the most amazing music ever made. The rest of it is basically dreck because at heart they were furniture salesmen engaged in a happy accident in pursuit of a buck. All of it was secondary and expendable in comparison to the money that could be made. In that sense, I suppose there's some kinship with this re-packaging.

Yes, it's a miracle some of the music persisted and came to us still listenable.

Notwithstanding, this set is disturbing in that it is equal parts misguided, opportunistic and fetishistic.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Rivers on February 06, 2015, 04:15:37 PM
Thanks frankie, you helped me understand in detail my discomfort about this project. The irony is indeed spectacular, and thanks for pointing it out.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: frankie on February 06, 2015, 06:38:33 PM
yer welcome, Rivers.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Stuart on February 07, 2015, 09:36:21 AM
"Old rockin' chair's got me"

https://archive.org/details/catalog1892wisc (https://archive.org/details/catalog1892wisc)

http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/why-nerdy-white-guys-who-love-the-blues-are-obsessed-with-a-wisconsin-chair-factory/ (http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/why-nerdy-white-guys-who-love-the-blues-are-obsessed-with-a-wisconsin-chair-factory/)

Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Willie Poor Boy on March 08, 2015, 03:44:34 AM
Off topic, does anyone here own any of Paramount's furniture?  It's funny that an afterthought line of business is what produced anything lasting. 

Just to defend them for a moment however, except for the profit seeking of Paramount it's unlikely we would know of Bobby Grant or Marshall Owens or 50 other people one might esteem less or more.  Their cost cutting approach is probably what allowed them to go where no one else was going and capture what no one else would have captured--fast cheap and out of control could have been their motto.  The offsets fall between lamentable (but everyone here is used to hiss) and appalling given what happened to their library.

The folk process was not going to survive recording technology and almost the entirety of localized culture everywhere has been buried under mass produced entertainment products made by people far away with no connection to those who consume it in their isolated living spaces.  Inadvertently or not, that same recording technology saved part of what it buried -- but it would have saved a lot less if only Columbia were in the game. 

Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Johnm on March 08, 2015, 09:51:04 AM
You make a really interesting point, Brad, that Paramount's low-balling of the costs of putting out records made possible the outcome of making recordings of a lot of artists and music that otherwise would probably never have been recorded.  I've long felt what a positive thing it was that the record companies recording blues basically had not a clue what would sell.  Thus they ended up recording a lot of stuff that from our perspective had no real prospect of selling in any kind of volume, but was nonetheless fascinating, stuff like Red Hot Old Mose's "Molly Man".  So it looks as though in Paramount's case, at least, cheapness and ignorance worked to music lovers' benefit.  I can get behind that.
All best,
Johnm
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: poymando on March 08, 2015, 09:56:07 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1374120_10203685534513537_7059671582096389509_n.jpg?oh=0ecbd1abe17a845fbeaef50ece24070d&oe=557A2344&__gda__=1435298941_15583f9864526ff1481ec32e704be0c1)

I've got a bunch of chairs...Well made, Craftsman style pieces.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Stuart on March 08, 2015, 10:06:54 AM
cf: http://weeniecampbell.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=8904.0 (http://weeniecampbell.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=8904.0)

https://roothogordie.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/alan-lomaxs-list-of-american-folk-songs-on-commercial-records/ (https://roothogordie.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/alan-lomaxs-list-of-american-folk-songs-on-commercial-records/)

https://roothogordie.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/lomax.pdf (https://roothogordie.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/lomax.pdf)
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Blind Arthur on March 08, 2015, 10:35:07 AM
So it looks as though in Paramount's case, at least, cheapness and ignorance worked to music lovers' benefit. 
IMHO it definitely works towards today?s blues and jazz lovers? benefit: If because of saving money, a record company has to rerecord successfully selling songs because the masters were used up and for the same reason, was forced to regularly issue several takes of one song, this is definitely a blessing today :)
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Gilgamesh on December 09, 2015, 03:58:13 PM
For December only, Third Man is offering both Vol. 1 and 2 for $650. When you factor in postage, it's $680-$725.

I said I was never going to pay $400 for one of these sets, but I was completely seduced by this offer and decided to take the plunge. This is by far the most I've ever spent for a recording, but what the hell, you only live once. I like the idea of having all the essential Paramounts in one place. I also like the look of all the books that go with it.

I might regret the decision. What I hope most of all is that by supporting this project, Third Man will be inspired to invest in a similar set for the Okeh 8000 series. Wouldn't that be great?

http://thirdmanstore.com/featured/the-rise-and-fall-of-paramount-records-volume-1-volume-2-bundle
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Hamhound on December 11, 2015, 05:18:00 PM
Notwithstanding, this set is disturbing in that it is equal parts misguided, opportunistic and fetishistic.

I have serious doubt even on the 'labour of love' angle that many seem to believe about this.
Clearly a deal of design and production work has been done - but to what end?
Much is mentioned about the books included - but surely it's the quality of the writing, information & content that matters - not the fact that there are books or what their binding is or how many pages

My doubts are largely prompted by remembering the first 2 batches of Third Man LPs. (I made comment about them somewhere here). There were some really bad issues . Wrong track listings, wrong timings, incredibly banal liner notes, average pressings and (in some cases) tricked-up sound.
At the time I thought, 'oh well a few little errors but at least they're bringing the music to a new generation'.

Looking back, I'm not so charitable. I think - what, - this is how you start a labor-of-love-record label? - this is your shoddy opening statement to the world? 

Doesn't mean that this box is equally bad, but it shows every sign of a misguided fetishistic approach to its subject.  I get kind of disturbed thinking of people paying a 'special sale price' for both boxes of $650.  The rise and rise of the 'deluxe box set' as a consumer object of desire arguably has a lot to answer for.

Frankie's comments from back in Febuary, I agree with.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: frankie on December 12, 2015, 03:23:48 AM
My doubts are largely prompted by remembering the first 2 batches of Third Man LPs. (I made comment about them somewhere here). There were some really bad issues .

I certainly haven't heard all of the Third Man LPs, but the volumes of the Mississippi Sheiks are unlistenable. The transfers are fine, I suppose, but cramming that much music onto each LP yields a totally unsatisfactory listening experience: the next song starts almost before the previous song ends. It's frankly impossible to enjoy music presented this way and I can't imagine why this made sense to anyone with ears and in a position to make a different decision.

This is just cynical commercialism designed to encourage a fairly small market to part with a lot of money in exchange for kitsch. Maybe they'll go the full distance and happy, satisfied consumers can listen to their Paramount box set on their iphone using a Third Man Paramount Reissue mp3 player app or on a commemorative Third Man Paramount Reissue reproduction turntable (all TBA)...  all while wearing approved Third Man apparel: Paramount Reissue t-shirt and baseball cap and windbreaker...  the scene would not be complete without the Third Man commemorative Paramount Blues recording artist bobble head collection. I hope there are stickers with this set. No premium box set is complete without stickers. Maybe they'll partner with Harley-Davidson and you'll get a special edition Paramount Reissue Sportster. And can you just imagine the apparel possibilities there!!! WOWEEE!!!!

Everyone involved in the transaction will get exactly what they deserve.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: wreid75 on December 22, 2015, 08:22:35 AM
all of this and the other set, the johnson and patton set and all images are all available online for free and all in high def.  the kids that are starting to listen to this are pissed and using a black market that is easy to find.  nothing is watermarked and there are so many new outlets to get this stuff that stamping it out would be problematic and expensive.  guess the black market jumps in when the free market isn't getting the job done. 
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Gilgamesh on December 23, 2015, 08:01:05 PM
I didn't realize the sets were numbered. Mine arrived today. Vol 1 is #2,761 and Vol 2 is #1,783. Long way to 5,000 for both.

The packaging for Vol 1 is more impressive than Vol 2. The hardback book is amazing with lots of Paramount memorabilia I've never seen before, or only seen in tiny B&W repros.

So far I've only had time to listen to some of the songs on Vol 2, but I was blown away by the quality of "I'm So Glad." It sounds like a fresh transfer from a not-very-worn copy, way better than the old Yazoo LP/CD version.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Stuart on February 15, 2016, 06:01:11 PM
Just won a Grammy for "Boxed or Special Limited Edition Package." (Vol. 1 won last year in the same category.)
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Rivers on February 15, 2016, 06:13:15 PM
Really, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Was this the Grammys or the Packaging Awards?

I see Taylor Swift got best album. That makes two prizes this year for best packaging.
Title: Re: Paramount Box set volume two
Post by: Slack on February 15, 2016, 08:13:49 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1374120_10203685534513537_7059671582096389509_n.jpg?oh=0ecbd1abe17a845fbeaef50ece24070d&oe=557A2344&__gda__=1435298941_15583f9864526ff1481ec32e704be0c1)

I've got a bunch of chairs...Well made, Craftsman style pieces.

It looks like the photo link is bad.  On topic be damned - I'd like to see the chairs!
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