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Title: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: frailer24 on February 18, 2013, 12:46:18 AM
I have a 1968 Silvertone badged Sovereign that I am working on. My question is, I know Mance Lipscomb used one, but, would it be good for anything besides dead thumb stuff?   Larry
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: frankie on February 18, 2013, 04:50:44 AM
about every musician captured on the george mitchell collection would probably agree that you have a pretty fine guitar there.
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: westside ryan on February 18, 2013, 03:49:11 PM
Here are some players that at one time or another supposedly played a Harmony Sovereign (although there are a couple different models.  I think that the H1260 was the most popular):

Sam Chatmon
Howling Wolf
Mississippi John Hurt
Melvin ?Lil? Son? Jackson
Robert Curtis Smith
Robert Pete Williams
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: Mr.OMuck on February 18, 2013, 03:58:06 PM
It ain't called "Sovereign" for nuttin' bro! ;)
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: banjochris on February 18, 2013, 05:44:55 PM
I used to play one all the time until the top bellied up too much -- the intonation is really off. One of these days I'll see about getting the thing re-braced but it'd probably cost more than it's worth. A great all around blues guitar, IMO. I had one pretty much just like Mance's, forget the model number. I think it's a 1203, late '50s.
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: frankie on February 18, 2013, 07:00:54 PM
I used to play one all the time until the top bellied up too much -- the intonation is really off. One of these days I'll see about getting the thing re-braced but it'd probably cost more than it's worth.

or.....

possibly a perfect specimen for sam collins songs with a slide?
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: frailer24 on February 18, 2013, 07:26:50 PM
Thanks a million, just reset the neck, waiting for the glue to dry. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: banjochris on February 18, 2013, 07:49:45 PM
I used to play one all the time until the top bellied up too much -- the intonation is really off. One of these days I'll see about getting the thing re-braced but it'd probably cost more than it's worth.

or.....

possibly a perfect specimen for sam collins songs with a slide?

Good idea! I had a nut extender on it for a while and played it lap style but that sounds more fun.
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: jpeters609 on February 19, 2013, 07:39:56 AM
Here are some players that at one time or another supposedly played a Harmony Sovereign (although there are a couple different models.  I think that the H1260 was the most popular):

Sam Chatmon
Howling Wolf
Mississippi John Hurt
Melvin ?Lil? Son? Jackson
Robert Curtis Smith
Robert Pete Williams


And Big Joe Williams. Of course, his was tricked out with a pick-up and (frequently) duct tape. Most photos of Big Joe from the 60's show him with his Sovereign.
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: frailer24 on February 19, 2013, 02:51:36 PM



And Big Joe Williams. Of course, his was tricked out with a pick-up and (frequently) duct tape. Most photos of Big Joe from the 60's show him with his Sovereign.

You forgot the extra 3 strings. :-P
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: RobBob on February 20, 2013, 07:37:37 AM
I had one in the 1060's bought it new.  I have a recording somewhere where I am playing blues on it form about 1969.  Great blues axe.
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: frailer24 on February 20, 2013, 03:32:04 PM
It is done! Strung up, in tune, and playing "Silver City." Best $20 I ever spent!
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: kindlemonj on March 14, 2013, 09:06:46 AM
Biggest mistake of my life was swapping an early model Harmony Sovereign for something more "modern" although I can't remember what ! I now play a thirty-something year old Japanese made F95 Fender acoustic-a fine guitar.
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: Blue in VT on March 20, 2013, 11:46:03 AM
It is done! Strung up, in tune, and playing "Silver City." Best $20 I ever spent!

We need a video of that!!! come on!

I'm in the midst of resetting the neck on a 1203 myself....so far so good!

(https://weeniecampbell.com/yabbse/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi91.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk285%2Fcsabick%2FAF19FA9F-5BFD-474C-BB7E-B70FA0FEDEF9-1226-0000015DD8ECB78B_zps594efef6.jpg&hash=7ff5274ccd41bae27dbde63f753c149d8d675e79)

Cheers,

Blue
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: Parlor Picker on March 21, 2013, 03:52:50 AM
Nice to see a post from Blue in VT after all these years! You've been conspicuous by your absence here and on the Larriv?e Guitar Forum. Welcome back.

Let us know how the work on your guitar goes.
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: Blue in VT on March 22, 2013, 07:44:47 AM
 :D Howdy Parlor....great to see you are still hanging around here...

I had a serious lull in my guitar playing after the birth of our second child...but two years later I'm getting back into it and playing out a little.  Also the work on this guitar has gotten my juices flowing as well.

Anyway...great to see WeenieCampbell still perking along.

Cheers,

Blue
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: frailer24 on March 22, 2013, 02:02:46 PM
Blue, I apologize, but I have no way of filming or even taking a photograph now. Your 1203 looks as if it won't be nearly as troubling as mine. A word of advice: In regards to the dovetail, yes it is up much higher than your run-of-the-mill guitar, and a bit narrower in my case. Hopefully I can get some film up when I see an old friend next month.

-Larry
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: mutantmoose on April 23, 2013, 10:00:43 AM
When I reset my 1203 last year, that dovetail space was right under the 15th fret, no hassle at all. The one thing I didn't expect was for steam to come blasting out of the truss rod cover at the other end of the neck - have a cloth ready for that greasy mess!!! Or better yet, plug the hole...
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: frailer24 on July 06, 2013, 09:36:59 PM
Well, I used a heat gun on the dovetail (after removing binding and wrapping with wet cloths), have been using it for everything from Son House to Hobart Smith. Simply put, this box rocks!
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: Gingergeezer on August 13, 2013, 12:45:14 PM
My Sovereign needs a neck reset. How tricky is it to do? Any tips and hints would be great. I'll be attempting the job with a friend who has a fair bit of experience in guitar repair.
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: Pan on August 13, 2013, 12:48:06 PM
My Sovereign needs a neck reset. How tricky is it to do? Any tips and hints would be great. I'll be attempting the job with a friend who has a fair bit of experience in guitar repair.

You might want to check this link:

http://harmony.demont.net/kamikazie.php (http://harmony.demont.net/kamikazie.php)

Cheers

Pan
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: Prof Scratchy on August 13, 2013, 01:11:55 PM
Or you could ask Mr Murray, Lee!

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Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: Parlor Picker on August 14, 2013, 02:25:19 AM
Or get on the bus to deepest Sussex and hand it over to Rick Sellens who will do a fine job. In fact, curiously when he has had his hands on any acoustic guitar, it always seems to come back sounding better. Just ask Blueshome...
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: Gingergeezer on August 14, 2013, 08:58:36 AM
Thanks for the info and tips folks!
Mr. Murray and I are going to do this together - I figured it was about time I started to understand how to do my own repairs. I've a done a few small things but this would be a great introduction and  I'd get my Harmony Sovereign back into gigging condition
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: Parlor Picker on August 15, 2013, 06:42:44 AM
Good luck, Lee - I'm confident Jim will see you right.
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: Prof Scratchy on August 15, 2013, 07:22:22 AM
Often thought about repairing my guitars together with Mr Murray. He would do the work and I would watch.
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: mutantmoose on August 17, 2013, 08:35:47 PM
One thing you really want to make sure of - there are several - have some good denatured alcohol ready to wipe on any areas that get blushed - you don't have lots of time to to this, and it removes the blush and restores the clarity to the finish.
Title: Re: Harmony Sovereign for blues?
Post by: frailer24 on February 03, 2017, 09:55:19 PM
Well, it has been a while since I spoke of my old Sov, but here goes. I found it's a '66 jumbo model, my first neck set was not that great. I later had a luthier friend re-do that. Currently strung with Martin 80/20 extra lights, and looking to upgrade the thru-saddle and  (ugh!) pinless bridge. Still my favorite all-around box!
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