Topic: Frank Stokes--Playing Positions/Keys for his Recordings

[Johnm]

Hi all,
Frank Stokes seemed a good candidate for one of the Weenie Campbell tables outlining the playing positions and keys of his recordings.  He has had 42 titles issued in the re-issue era.  Format of the table is to indicate the song title, recording date, playing position of Stokes (and Dan Sane, for the titles on which he's featured) and the play-back keys at which the performances sound.  Note that except for the pitch at which the guitars were tuned, they were always in standard tuning.  For the keys at which the renditions sound, + indicates sharp of the pitch, - indicates flat of the pitch, and multiple plus and minus sounds indicate intensified sharpness or flatness.  This post shows Stokes' recordings prior to 1929, and his 1929 titles will be shown on the second part.   Here goes:

Song Title                               Recording Date            Playing Positions                            Key

1) You Shall                                   August, 1927         Stokes, D, Sane, G                           F+
2) It's A Good Thing                                "                   Stokes, D, Sane, G                           A flat
3) Sweet To Mama                                 "                    Stokes, G, Sane, C                           B flat
4) Half Cup of Tea                                   "                   Stokes, G, Sane, C                           B flat
5) Beale Town Bound                              "                   Stokes, C, Sane, G                           A
6) Last Go Round                                    "                   Stokes, C, Sane, F                           D
7) Jazzin' The Blues                                 "                   Stokes, G, Sane, C                           A-
8 ) You Shall                               September, 1927        Stokes, D, Sane, G                          F-
9) It's A Good Thing                                 "                   Stokes, D, Sane, G                          F-
10) Mr. Crump Don't Like It                     "                   Stokes, C, Sane, F                          E flat+
11) Chicken, You Can Roost Behind The Moon  "           Stokes, G, Sane, C                          B flat
12) Blues In "D"                                     "                    Stokes, D, Sane, G                          E+
13) Downtown Blues, Take 1                 2/1/28                Stokes, G, Sane, C                    C
14) Downtown Blues, Take 2                     "                     Stokes, G, Sane, C                    B-
15) Bedtime Blues                                     "                     Stokes, A, Sane, D                    D-
16) What's The Matter Blues                      "                     Stokes, D, Sane, G                    G
17) Mistreatin' Blues                              8/27/28              Stokes, E                                  F-
18) It Won't Be Long, Take 1                     "                     Stokes, C                                  D
19) It Won't Be Long, Take 2                     "                     Stokes, C                                  D flat
20) Nehi Mama Blues                                 "                     Stokes, C                                  D
21) I Got Mine                                           "                     Stokes, C                                  D--
22) Stomp That Thing                          8/28/28              Stokes, C, Sane, C                    D
23) 'Tain't Nobody's Business If I Do, Part 1  8/30/28      Stokes, C, Sane, C                    E flat-
24) 'Tain't Nobody's Business If I Do, Part 2      "             Stokes, C, Sane, C                    D
25) 'Tain't Nobody's Business If I Do, Part 3       "            Stokes, C, Sane, C                    E flat-
26) Take Me Back                                            "             Stokes, C, Sane, C                     E flat-
27) How Long                                                  "             Stokes, C, Sane, C                    E flat-

NOTES:
   * Based on the tone of Frank Stokes' voice on the August, 1927 version of "It's A Good Thing", it seems very likely that the play-back pitch of the recording was compromised, and that it is fast.
   * Of the 12 titles recorded in 1927, 10 of them required Dan Sane to tune lower than at standard pitch, most often a whole step low, but on a couple of the songs, a full minor third low (a step-and-a-half).  Because of the amount of time involved in tuning/re-tuning during the recording process it seems fairly likely that Sane was tuned a whole step low routinely, and went lower than that as the song contexts dictated.  This tuning approach would also make sense in light of the photograph of the duo in which Frank Stokes was capoed three frets higher than Dan Sane.  Were both players tuned to standard pitch, Stokes would have to be capoed five frets higher than Sane for their characteristic playing positions to work.  In either event, the duo's musical division of labor (except when playing in C on the later tracks) presumed that at least one of the players would be using a capo.  Note also, that unlike a lot of duos, Stokes and Sane were always in tune with themselves and with each other.
   * For "Last Go Round" and "Mr. Crump Don't Like It", Stokes played out of C position and Sane played out of the F position.  Note that both of these songs employ circle-of-fifths progressions, and thus never required Sane to go to a IV chord, B flat in the key of F.  For all subsequent recordings the duo did in which Stokes played out of the C position, Sane played out of the C position, too, for most of the songs were conventional blues that went to the IV chord.
   * It has been suggested that the duo switched roles for "Beale Town Bound", and that does seem plausible, for the player of the lower guitar part, normally Sanes' role, has an altogether different touch and tone, and the player of the high part is playing single string descending lines almost exclusively.
   * It is interesting, though difficult to attach any particular significance to the fact that on songs where Stokes and Sane had more than one take, or Stokes himself had multiple takes, the takes are not done at the same pitch.  The second take is almost always a half-step lower.  Was this the musicians' idea or the idea of some A & R person from the record company? 

The remainder of Frank Stokes' recordings will be shown on Part 2.

All best,
Johnm   

[Johnm]

Hi all,
Here are the remainder of Frank Stokes' recordings.


Song Title                                     Recording Date        Playing Positions                     Key

1) Ain't Goin' To Do Like I Used To Do   March,1929    Stokes, G, Sane, C                          C
2) Hunting Blues                                    "                  Stokes, D, Sane, G                          G-
3) Rockin' On The Hill Blues                    "                  Stokes, A, Sane, D                          D-
4) Fillin' In Blues, Part 1                         "                  Stokes, G, Sane, C                          C#
5) Fillin' In Blues, Part 2                         "                  Stokes, G, Sane, C                          C#-
6) Wasn't That Doggin' Me                     "                   Stokes, G, Sane, C                          C#
7) Jumpin' On The Hill                            "                   Stokes, A, Sane, D                          E flat-
8 ) South Memphis Blues                     9/23/29              Stokes, G, Will Batts, fiddle       F#++
9) Bunker Hill Blues                                 "                    Stokes, D, Will Batts, fiddle       D--
10) Right Now Blues                             9/25/29              Stokes, C, Will Batts, fiddle       D flat-
11) Shiney Town Blues                              "                    Stokes, G, Will Batts, fiddle       A flat--
12) I'm Going Away Blues                     9/30/29              Stokes, G, Will Batts, fiddle       A
13) Old Sometime Blues                            "                    Stokes, C, Will Batts, fiddle        D
14) Frank Stokes' Dream                           "                    Stokes, E                                  F+
15) Memphis Rounders Blues                     "                    Stokes, D                                  E flat+

NOTES:
   * As has been noted in the Frank Stokes Lyrics thread, the duo's March 1929 session abounds in spoken asides, really more than in all of their other recordings combined.  They talk so much, in fact, and seem so un-self-conscious doing it that it makes you wonder if these particular recordings more accurately capture what they were like in performance busking, or particularly playing for dancing, a context in which musicians often feel invisible and thus free to be a little loose.
   * Frank Stokes and Dan Sane played wonderfully together, but it is a shame that Frank Stokes did not record more solo sides.  The way he could get a full sound playing time while still alternating his bass and picking melody in the treble was very unusual.  On his very last cut, "Memphis Rounders Blues", in the solo following his first verse, he does an alternation from the open low E string while playing in D, something I've never heard anyone else do.  What a tremendous singer and player he was!

All best,
Johnm

[Rivers]

Excellent! 

[pkeane]

Thanks, John!  V. much appreciated.

--Peter

[Slack]

Wow, good work Johnm - you've been busy!

I went ahead and put a space between the 8 and the ) to eliminate the smiley.

[Cleoma]

This is fantastic!!  Thank you John!

[Gumbo]

Wow is right.
And it's always a pleasure to read your insights, Johnm.

[Pan]

What they said!

Cheers

Pan

[Johnm]

Thanks for the good words, folks, and thanks, John D. for getting rid of the doofus smiley on the number eight.  I've never known what caused that, and now I do.  Thanks!
All best,
Johnm

[Stuart]

Thanks, John, both for the enormous amount of work that went into the project and for sharing the results of your efforts.

[pdjones]

Great! Thanks!

[frailer24]

NOTES:
   * Based on the tone of Frank Stokes' voice on the August, 1927 version of "It's A Good Thing", it seems very likely that the play-back pitch of the recording was compromised, and that it is fast.


 

John, here is my theory on this. It seems more likely to me that Dan Sane is the singer here, as even transposing the song to the key of F, it still sounds nothing like Stokes.
-Larry

[Johnm]

I don't think so, Larry.  It does sound like Frank Stokes' singing but it doesn't sound right.  It just sounds weird, like the speed is wrong.
All best,
Johnm

[frailer24]

Hmm, I better listen to it again.

[frailer24]

John, I agree it is Frank, after repeated listening. Strange how playback speed can affect a vocal so much.