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The Unwound Third => Gitfiddles, Harps, Washboards & Kazoos => Topic started by: Thiago on May 30, 2011, 09:00:57 PM
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Hello there, now that I'm more involved with acoustic blues, I'd like to buy a new guitar. The guitar I own is a Samick Jumbo; relatively cheap, and with better tone than the pricier ones I saw in some stores. Ideal for starting. However, although I'm almost 1.9m tall, I find it a bit uncomfortable. Besides, I think it is time for a guitar of better quality (not to mention that I cannot even find a gig bag for this jumbo). Given the comfort issues, I was thinking of getting a parlor guitar (or similar) with the following features:
-Solid woods on top, back and sides (it's a must)
-Bolt-on neck (preferable)
-Slotted headstock (just aesthetic preference)
I was thinking about the Washburn R319 (was that the model?), but it has a dovetail neck joint; and the A&L Ami Parlor, but it has only a solid top. If no such guitar exists, well, I'll have to cope with dovetails. But if I could choose easy neck resets, I would certainly choose that option. I was aiming for guitars similar in price to the Washburn, but I think I can choose something pricier. Does this guitar exist, or only in my dreams?
Many thanks in advance,
Thiago
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I'm going to struggle to give you specific recommendations but I would offer the following general ones:
These days, reasonably well built guitars are simply not likely to need neck resets any time soon, unless you leave them in the boot of a car, in a baking hot car park every day. That being the case, Im not sure that neck joint type really matters much.
In terms of actually choosing a guitar, arrange to go to a big music shop if you can, and just play lots of the things. One or two will probably grab you. If not, keep looking. How it plays and sounds to you when you are holding it, is vastly more important, imo, than looking for specific specifications.
My first *serious* guitar was a Martin D-1 dreadnought. I literally sat in the shop for a couple of hours and tried a dozen Martins, a dozen Taylors and a number of other assorted guitars. Then I bought the one I fell in love with- it just seemed to come alive in my hands in a way the others didnt.
Since then I've acquired various guitars, including a 50s martin, resonators, an old stella, an old kaykraft, a wonderful Fraulini 12 fretter and so on.
Guess which guitar I still go back to for the perfect combination of playability, sound and comfort? Some folk will tell you that a dreadnought isnt ideal for blues or fingerpicking, but it suits me just right. Its such a personal thing...
Get down to the shop, with no preconcpetions of what you must have, and try lots!
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That's good advice from Slim. After all, only you know what suits you. Buying second-hand, if you can find anything suitable, is a good option as you can get better quality for your money.
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Slim +1.
You might also be interested in this discussion:
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The Ami has solid birch or cherry back and sides. I would also look at Blueridge & Recording King guitars among the Chinese makes. For $650. or thereabouts you can pick up a solid Indian Rosewood, spruce top 000-28 type guitar that is all you'd ever need. Also there are some very good bargains to be had in 70's Japanese Martin dreadnaught copies with names like Cortez or Cortley. I love the Canadian made Ami and have been very happy with the spruce top solid Maple Cortez D-45 copy I bought for $35.
Bolt on necks generally mean Taylors which imo have no soul. Of course old Gibsons and Martins are still the best, but also check out the new Guilds some of which people on this forum absolutely love.
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Oh, I forgot to mention that here in my country (Argentina), there is a limit to imports, especially foreign guitars. Apparently, local guitar producers protested because of Chinese shipments full of cheap (don't know about the quality) guitars. Without delving much into economic theory, I think their protests are well funded, since it is difficult to compete against these cheap Chinese guitars (as long as they are of relatively good quality). However, they pressured the government to limit all guitar imports (for some reason, though, electro-acoustic and electric guitar imports seem unaffected; at least there are more of them than acoustic guitars). If this measure was taken to favor national industry, I highly doubt this will help it (I hope this does not turn into an economics debate). In the meanwhile, we consumers end up with less options and higher prices, both for national and foreign guitars (customs duty is 50% of the product+shipping, so prices here for foreign guitars are doubled). I think this is the same reason I cannot get a gig bag for my Jumbo (oh, and forget about hard cases, too). There is a gig bag factory, but they are unable to produce jumbo gig bags. Consequence? My jumbo is wrapped in bed sheets. *Catharsis ends here*
Short story: testing a guitar is pretty much out of the question. If I'm lucky, I'll be able to bypass customs duty since a friend's father is coming back from USA. Apparently, you can bring a guitar to the country if you travel with it. However, I'll not be able to test it, so I must rely on videos and/or soundclips of it.
Slim: that info about neck resets really eases my mind. Great advice, too, unfortunately testing is out of question.
Parlor Picker: I'll see about second-hand guitars. Not expecting much, though, give the supply of acoustic guitars here.
blueshome: oh yes, I had read that discussion before writing this. Great points made.
Mr.OMuck: I'll check those models (check = see if there are videos or soundclips). I didn't understand what you mentioned about the Ami. Did you mean that it has solid back and sides? From what I gather, it only has a solid top.
Thanks all for the info, in the meanwhile I'll keep searching.
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Don't know about where you live but here in the states Eastman has some OM models that will knock your socks off. All solid wood, bone nut and saddle and great sound for under $1,000 US.
There must be some established makers there that have lower end, or used models for sale.
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The Ami's sides and back are solid last time I checked. There must be some "hip" adventurous Argentinian luthier who could make you up a superior steel string to your specifications, don't you think? Just show them a lot of pictures. Maybe you could start a new industry in your country! I think most of the measurement specs for most of the classic old Gibsons & Martins can be found on line. They probably have access to some great wood there, that you can no longer get here so it might be worthwhile trying that route. Its also always rewarding to meet fine craftsmen and see what they're involved in making, and hear their thoughts.
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Interesting post, Mr.OMuck. I don't know why that thought didn't cross my mind; perhaps I was giving a hard time to local producers. Will certainly check it out.
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All of them. It's all in the fingers, but some are better than others, and this tends to vary nightly and sometimes randomly reverse. Good luck.
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Don't know about where you live but here in the states Eastman has some OM models that will knock your socks off. All solid wood, bone nut and saddle and great sound for under $1,000 US.
There must be some established makers there that have lower end, or used models for sale.
Those guitars sound like a good deal, what are they like for bare fingerpicking ?,,,,, I hate an action that feels stiff in the strings, but here in Australia a well made acoustic for this exercise is very hard to find in Australia,, we are flooded with cheap and shoddy guitars here, we do have some excellent makers, in particular Gerard Gilet, he makes awesome blues guitars, but the COST starts at around 4 k AUS,,,,,, I would love to get a really nice instrument for pickin with that authentic old sound. Is there a possibility of getting one of those shipped over here. I'd like to hear a bit more about these Eastman guitars.
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Don't know if they're available in Oz, but many of the Korean and Chinese made instruments are pretty good these days. The Guild GAD series (our local shop has a GAD-30R which is superb, but I don't need another guitar and can't afford it anyway) is excellent and I've tried parlour guitars by Crafter and Tanglewood that seem to be great value for money. Blueridge have a good reputation as well (think Mike Brosnan plays one and Mr. O'Muck sings their praises).
Undoubtedly not all cheaper far-eastern guitars are that good, but all you can do is try them out before you buy - assuming you have one or more guitar shops accessible to you.
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its got laminate back and sides, but a solid cedar top stays in tune and sounds beautiful. the guitar i own is a, simon & patrick s&p 6. recomended to me by no less than, tim aves. and tim said to me they sound better than the lower priced matin guitars and you know what he was right. and so was the price! i believe simon & patrick are part of the godin family. a canadian based guitar company.
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Simon and Patrick and Ami have been favorably discussed both here at WC and elsewhere from time to time. Here are a couple of links:
http://www.simonandpatrick.com/intro.htm (http://www.simonandpatrick.com/intro.htm)
http://www.artandlutherieguitars.com/ami.htm (http://www.artandlutherieguitars.com/ami.htm)
http://www.godinguitars.com/ (http://www.godinguitars.com/)
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Bolt on necks generally mean Taylors which imo have no soul. Of course old Gibsons and Martins are still the best, but also check out the new Guilds some of which people on this forum absolutely love.
Hmm, Collings use bolt on necks, and they have plenty of soul IMO - better than any martins I've played ;)
My own guitar is an Ayers, which is made in vietnam, to Australian specs. It's a lovely guitar and was cheap. All solid wood construction. Bolt on neck. Ayers used to do some with slotted headstocks, but I don't think their newer guitars have them.
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bought a Recording King yesterday (http://www.recordingking.com/guitars_ros626.html (http://www.recordingking.com/guitars_ros626.html)).
Think the guitar is gonna be delivered somewhat at the end of the week.
Can?t wait to get my fingers on that guitar O0
It ?s the second guitar i buy. My first was a yamaha g228 which i bought when i was a teenager..
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Looks like my kind of guitar! Let us know what it sounds like.
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I know Brownie McGhee used a Martin D18 and Gary Davis a Gibson J200, but I believe that for blues, you need a guitar smaller in the body than a dreadnaught. I use a 1920s parlor-sized Stella and a Martin 00-17 from 1949, and both are great ... although the Martin tends to be the gig guitar because it has a bit more punch and versatility than the Stella. It's all also all-mahogany, which seems to be an ideal blues wood in guitars. I've tried a couple of Martin's "15 series" all-mahogany instruments and been impressed by them. So .... what about a Martin 00-15M or 000-15M? Each has an RRP of $US1499 ... not the cheapest on the block, but not a ruinous price for quite a good wee box (and if it's anything like my 00-17, it'll be good for slide too).
Al Y
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I liked the shorter 25" scale on a not so-deep not-so wide dread body style cheapo Yamaha F335 enough to get one for Christmas. Price tag: $149, but can be had for less around $100 when Guitar Center has a blow out.
Pick up one with the inside label having all the details coming out of which factory in Indonesia "in accordance with specifications of Yamaha Corporation." Better QC and pretty pretty clean.
Top: quality spruce lam natural. Sides and back: meranti lam (a South East Asian mahog) used for furniture, house construction and coffins...you gotta love it.
Strings: D'Addario EJ22's...jazz nickle wound 13's.
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I still think an archtop is still the best allrounder you can get - I have a 1940's Cromwell (by Gibson) archtop which can be used for everything - jazz (which i don't play - but others have) - fingerpicking - chopping back up work - slide - unfortunately mine has got a socking great hole in the top which used to hold a vintage selmer pickup!
I still have the pickup - but I need an electronics wizz to rewire it!
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Bolt on necks generally mean Taylors which imo have no soul. Of course old Gibsons and Martins are still the best, but also check out the new Guilds some of which people on this forum absolutely love.
Hmm, Collings use bolt on necks, and they have plenty of soul IMO - better than any martins I've played ;)
My own guitar is an Ayers, which is made in vietnam, to Australian specs. It's a lovely guitar and was cheap. All solid wood construction. Bolt on neck. Ayers used to do some with slotted headstocks, but I don't think their newer guitars have them.
AYERS Rocks !!!!!!!!...... lol..... I couldn't resist that mate... now I'm sure some are thinking, "What the Uluru is he talkin' about"............ maybe you just gotta be an Aussie to appreciate that one.
P.S. sorry that there was no blues content in that.
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Atkin L1 replica, their "Robert Johnson" guitar:
http://atkinguitars.com/Historic_L1_Series.html (http://atkinguitars.com/Historic_L1_Series.html)
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Every Atkin I've heard and got my hands on has been excellent.
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I've got a Recording King 626 and I absolutely love it. Took it to Sedalia just yesterday for a few hours:
(https://weeniecampbell.com/yabbse/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fozarksarsenal.com%2Fimages1%2Fsmallpic.jpg&hash=4333268f8861691bd0d7e5330dcf85718eabc040)
bought a Recording King yesterday (http://www.recordingking.com/guitars_ros626.html (http://www.recordingking.com/guitars_ros626.html)).
Think the guitar is gonna be delivered somewhat at the end of the week.
Can?t wait to get my fingers on that guitar O0
It ?s the second guitar i buy. My first was a yamaha g228 which i bought when i was a teenager..