Wow this is great Johnm, thank you. I can immagine Pel Leg wanting his overall ironed while he's hoboing around, taking trains, is funny, dramatic and poetic at the same time, just like the blues is (in my way of feeling it).
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Wow this is great Johnm, thank you. I can immagine Pel Leg wanting his overall ironed while he's hoboing around, taking trains, is funny, dramatic and poetic at the same time, just like the blues is (in my way of feeling it).
Hi all,
Peg Leg Howell did a very spooky version of "Red River Blues" on his Testament album, recorded soon after he was re-discovered by George Mitchell in the early '60s. He accompanied himself out of E position in standard tuning with a simple boom-chang back-up, and got an eerie sound by singing his minor melody without ever hitting the third of his I chord E, so he ended up with a sort of hollow, open sound. He was living in very dire poverty at the time and was an ailing old man, but even so, there's something about his vocal that communicates such a presence. His lyrics place the song in the In the Pines/The Longest Train family, unlike other versions of "Red River Blues" I have heard, and Peg Leg sings an altogether different melody than the one he used for his early recording of a song in that family, "Rolling Mill Blues". After each verse, he sings a little tagline with a creepy descending melody line in which he omits the last word of the phrase, every time. It's nice to see that expression of intent made so clearly, especially by a person operating in extremis. I'm attaching an .mp3 of the performance for folks who are interested in hearing it because I know the record is terribly difficult to find and has never been re-issued on CD. Which-a way, which-a way, the blood Red River run? Tell me, babe, which-a way do it run? Some says East, some says it's West Tell me, babe, which-a way do it run? Over my back window, Lord, to the risin' --- I's a-went down to the Southern new depot Freight train come rollin' by I's thinkin' about good time, once have had Hung down my head and I cried Lord, I hung down my weary head and --- Freight train runned off the track last night And it killed my woman dead Her head was found in driver's wheel And her body have never been seen Which-a way, which-a way the blood Red River --- SOLO The longest train I ever seen Run 'round Joe Brown's coal mine The engine was at the Four-Mile Hill And the cab had never left town Which-a way, which-a way the blood Red River --- Goin' away, gonna stay Had my money, I'd go today Which-a way do the blood Red River --- Which-a way, which-a way, do the blood Red River run? Tell me, babe, which-a way do it run? Some says it's East, and some says it's West Tell me, babe, which way do it run? All best, Johnm ScottN
Hi John,
We're probably approaching the 10 year statute of limitations on suggestions for Coal Man Blues but thought I would throw a couple in since I've been listening to it a lot over the past few days: 3.4 DIDN'T vs dead 5.1 GET vs just 8.4 TRICK vs cheat 12 "me my rider and two three more" vs "me (and) my rider and two (or) three more" 14.1 GOT THE HO...(guitar) 14.2 GREET ME mama and two (or) three (guitar) 14.3 Me and my brown AND I think 3.4 changes the meaning quite a bit, the others are pretty minor. Thanks, Scott Hi Scott,
Thanks for the catches. I've incorporated them all into the transcription, both in this thread and in Weeniepedia, and caught some other stuff as well. All best, Johnm I was wondering, what the heck they were talking about when they said "Do the Hindenburg" Since the only Hindenburg I know is that German Zeppelin that was burned down in 1937 (ten years later after the song was recorded). A profecy???
Hi all, Hi coco,
The only guesses I would have on the "Hindenburg" in this context would be (and they are guesses!): * It may have been some kind of long-forgotten, localized dance craze popular at the time the record was made; * It may have been some trick bowing move that Eddie Anthony used on the fiddle that had visual appeal for an audience; * It may have been an expression along the lines of "Let's blow up!" or "Go crazy!" Like I said, they're just guesses. Maybe other people know more about the use of the Hindenburg in this context. All best, Johnm Hi coco, I did some research and could be related to World War I. The Hindenburg light or Hindenburglicht, was a source of lighting used in the trenches of the First World War, named after the Commander-in-Chief of the German army in World War I, Paul von Hindenburg. It was also used in World War II in air raid shelters (Luftschutzkeller) or during power cuts, and mandated black outs as emergency lighting.[1] It was a flat bowl approximately 5?8 cm (2.0?3.1 in) diameter and 1?1.5 cm (0.39?0.59 in) deep. It resembles the cover of Mason jar lid (Schraubglasdeckel) and was made from pasteboard. This flat bowl was filled with a wax-like fat (tallow). A short wick (Docht) in the center was lit and burned for some hours. A later model of the Hindenburglicht was a "tin can (Dosenlicht) lamp." Here, a wax-filled tin can has two wicks in a holder. If both wicks are lit, a common, broad flame (zungenfoermige Flamme) results. The Hindenburg Programme of August 1916 is the name given to the armaments and economic policy begun in late 1916 by the Third Oberste Heeresleitung (OHL, the German General Staff), Field Marshal Paul von Hindenburg and General Erich Ludendorff. The two were appointed after the sacking of General Erich von Falkenhayn on 28 August 1916 and intended to double German industrial production, to greatly increase the output of munitions and weapons Hi coco,
That information is interesting, but it's very hard to imagine that it had anything to do with the way Peg Leg Howell and his buddies used the term "Hindenburg" in "Too Tight Rag". All best, Johnm anomalousaudio
A little off topic but too fortuitous to pass up?
First post, been meaning to join for years but today was listening to ?Away From Home? by Howell, trying to figure out the (surprisingly advanced!) mandolin parts from Jim Hill, and I found myself compelled to find more about him, to no avail. Does anyone know who the hill (heh heh) Jim was? Point me right and true, if ye can! Glad to be on board! I can?t believe there?s other weirdos like me out there. Hi coco, I would think that at the time "Too Tight" was recorded, the word "Hindenburg" would have been associated in most people's minds with the "Hindenburg Line" from WWI (mentioned in "That Old Gang of Mine," for instance). So it wouldn't surprise me if some kind of dance or way of lining up would have come from that. I think you're right Chris. The WWI context makes electronic searches difficult. There might be mentions or references in writings from the twenties, but finding them could be next to impossible since many texts have yet to be converted to searchable scans that are part of larger textbases.
Since there was a breakthrough of the Hindenburg Line, it could have been part of a dance where some folks lined up and others passed through a break in the line. But that's just an uneducated guess. Lane Hardin, California Desert Blues, 1935, also mentions the Hindenburg Line.
Quote Crossin' that old desert, mama, just like breakin' the Hindenburg Line Only clear relevance here is "Hindenburg Line" was still part of the collective consciousness in 1935 two years before the whole airship thing. See https://weeniecampbell.com/wiki/index.php?title=California_Desert_Blues Hi all,
This is another venerable lyrics thread that I thought would be a good one to add links to the recorded performances. Boy, did Peg Leg Howell do a lot of great songs! All best, Johnm eric
Another great thread revival. The duets with Eddy Anthony are just great, and Walking Blues is, like you say, a great guitar piece. Some of Peg Leg's riffs remind me of Buddy Boy Hawkins. And John, on Fairy Blues, you mention an enigmatic C tuning, and I'm wondering if that's the same as the open B flat tuning on Low Down Rounder?
Yes, Eric, Peg Leg Howell used the same tuning for "Fairy Blues" and "Low Down Rounder Blues", that open Bb or open C tuning, FBbDFBbD in Bb or everything up a whole step if he did it in C. I would never subject my guitar to tuning the low E up to G and the A up to C, but that doesn't mean Peg Leg Howell wouldn't do it. Incidentally, there is a thread that goes into the hearing and skull work that was involved figuring out the tuning for "Low Down Rounder Blues" and "Fairy Blues" at: https://weeniecampbell.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=1561.msg11485#msg11485 .
I'm glad you're enjoying his tunes. There are so many good ones--"Rolling Mill Blues", "Turtle Dove Blues", "Please, Ma'am", "Tishimingo Blues"--really kind of hit after hit. All best, Johnm |