I would say that Boogie-Woogie was the bad little boy of the rag family who wouldn't study. I heard crude beginnings of it in the back streets of New Orleans, in those early years following 1904, but they were really back streets... such music never got played in 'gilded palaces' - Roy Carew, from Giles Oakley's The Devil's Music, BBC
Here's a tough lyric, mystery phrase is marked, ideas and corrections welcome.
I also swear he sings "Dean" not "Deem" but have left it per the ARC title.
I'm really not certain where he's tuned or what chord position he'd playing out of. My best guess is dropped D, guitar tuned down to C so true pitch B flat. There's a classic low drop D bass lick at the end of several verses, is what makes me think so. Having said that I'm having trouble getting the guitar to sound like Huddie, who keeps up an industrial-strength vamp throughout. I'll probably end up picking it my way.
Being an 8 bar blues with a very similar tune to Furry Lewis's Dry Land Blues it also sounds good out of an E position with the first I and V7 played around the E and B7 triads at the fourth fret, but that's just by the by, unless it is actually in E, but I doubt that. He throws in a nice passing V Augmented (sharp 5) chord in the last V to pick out the melody.
Actually, this really sounds to me like classic Lead Belly out of the E position. The lick at the end of the form, which I think is the one you're calling a dropped-D lick, is in dozens of his songs played using E position.
I agree, sure sounds like he sings Becky Dean. Perhaps a note?
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Becky Deem, She Was a Gamblin' Girl 23 January 1935 NYC ARC 6-04-55 Transcribed from Leadbelly King of the 12-String Guitar, Columbia Roots 'N' Blues 467893
[Instrumental verse]
Becky Deem, she was a gamblin' gal Win all her money, and she win it fair
Becky Deem, she was a gamblin' gal She win her money, and she win it fair
2.2 She win ALL HER money and she win it fair (Lead sings it more like "oller" or "olla")
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Becky Deem, had her games on the ground She win all the money the skinner lay down
3.2 She win all the money the skinner LAID down
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Becky Deem, had her games on the ground She win all the money the skinner lay down
4.2 She win all the money the skinner LAID down
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[Instrumental verse]
She start to hit once, would a sank a fee[] By the end o' that they hollerin' "Don't you murder me"
5.1 She STARTED to hit ONE WITH A SINGLETREE 5.2 MIGHTA HEARED THE RASCAL hollerin' "Don't you murder me" (Lead sings MIGHTA more as MIGHTEE, but that just looks weird in transcription)
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She start to hit once, would a sank a fee[] By the end o' that they hollerin' "Don't you murder me"
Slight difference with the added YOU in the 2nd line:
6.1 She STARTED to hit ONE WITH A SINGLETREE 6.2 YOU MIGHTA HEARED THE RASCAL hollerin' "Don't you murder me"
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[Instrumental verse x 2]
Walked all the way from East St Louis She didn't have but the one thin dime
She walked all the way from East St Louis And she didn't have but the one thin dime
Never spent it for whiskey, and honey neither for wine Yes I spent it all on the sake of the man of mine
She never spent it for whiskey, and honey neither for wine I spent it all on the sake o' the man o' mine
[Instrumental verse outro]
Agree, though I'd add a comma after "honey".
Becky seems like a tough lady!
« Last Edit: February 15, 2009, 11:36:45 AM by uncle bud »
Ah, thank you, 'singletree', so it is. That's my new word for today, here's a definition:
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a wooden bar swung at the center from a hitch on a plow, wagon, etc. and hooked at either end to the traces of a horse's harness
So she's laying into him/them/it with one.
Agree with most of it, "skinner laid down", I hear "lay-down" second time run together, but it's very close and I wouldn't argue your hearing. He's past tense challenged in the rest of the song so it's consistent use of present where past tense should go. win, s/be won, etc
I really have a hard time picking keys and tunings with the 12 so I'm totally sure it could be out of E, in fact it's easier for me to play like that so that would be just fine! That would have him tuned down another full step to B flat, right? (he asked nervously)
I'll see if anyone else wants to weigh in before making corrections.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2009, 12:06:56 PM by Rivers »
Yes, usually it's the man hitting the woman with the singletree and she hollers "please don't murder me", c.f. Memphis Jug Band and others. Becky turns the tables on that formula here.
I really have a hard time picking keys and tunings with the 12 so I'm totally sure it could be out of E, in fact it's easier for me to play like that so that would be just fine! That would have him tuned down another full step to B flat, right? (he asked nervously)
Easier is always better and frequently correct as well. I haven't tested the pitch. I pay more attention to hearing the positions than tuning to a given pitch (though am usually tuned somewhere in the vicinity of Bb or C). With Lead Belly, once you've worked on a couple of his E position tunes, it's pretty easy picking new ones out of a lineup, regardless of pitch, I find.
Speaking of which I realized, after reading an old thread that turned up in the '12 string guitar' tag, Kansas City Papa is also played out of E position, not D as I had it. Once again I erred, and for the same reason. Subconsciously I can never quite believe those guys were tuned down so low and still get good tone, but I'm getting the hang of it. It also sounds and plays much better out of an E position.
Anybody trying to learn the lyric from the booklet The Leadbelly Legend (Folkways 1959) will find that it has been "edited with new additional material by John A. Lomax and Alan Lomax" and will end up singing as below, the use of vernacular is just of its time I guess. Oh, the title is Becky Dean, with an N.
Becky Dean, she was a gamblin' gal; She winned de money an' she winned it fair. Becky Dean, she was a gamblin' gal; She winned de money, an' she winned it fair.
Becky Dean, she had her games on the groun', She winned all the money the skinners laid down. Becky Dean, she had her games on the groun', She winned all the money the skinners laid down.
She started to hit one wid a singletree, Might 'a' heared de rascal holl'in', "Honey, doncha murder me." She started to hit one wid a singletree, Might 'a' heared de rascal holl'in', "Honey, doncha murder me."
Becky Dean walked all de way f'om Eas' St. Louis, When she didn' have but de one thin dime; Didn' spen' it for whisky, honey, an' neither for wine, She spent it all on "de sake of de man of mine."
This is the las' word that Becky Dean said, "I love my baby when he's dead." This is the las' word that Becky Dean said, "I love my baby when he's dead."
You catch things that just shoot by normally when transcribing lyrics. Check out the verse about carving his initials on a mule's behind which I'd never heard before. [edit: listening later the same line turns up in Ox Drivin' Blues, which is gonna be a real challenge to transcribe, I'll do it next]
In the same verse he talks about "skinnin' for Johnny Rye", another Leadbelly reference to 'skinning', this time it's definitely a mule, and probably nails how the term 'mule skinner' arose, it's to do with flaying the poor beast with a whip ('...with my line') to keep it moving. I didn't know that.
The 'dago / jew' verse I've heard before somewhere but I can't remember which song.
This is in the true key of A flat. Further than that I'm not prepared to venture at this point. Ideas on tuning, position and lyric corrections are welcome.
Honey, I'm All Out And Down - Leadbelly 23 January 1935 NYC ARC 16688-2 Transcribed from Leadbelly King of the 12-String Guitar, Columbia Roots 'N' Blues 467893
Honeeey! I'm all out and down Honeeey . . . I'm broke baby, and I ain't got a dime Every good man gets in hard luck some time Don't it baby Don't it baby Don't it baby Don't it baby
[holler]This man is a long ways from home And he got a brown skin woman And he know pay day is comin' pretty soon And his woman is shoutin' 'cause it's morn' of pay day And the old mule is hungry, and the sun is goin' down The man he wish't that pay day would move off a little further So he wouldn't have to pay the woman nothin'[/holler]
I'm going to tell my woman like the Dago told the Jew You don't want me, uh honey I don't want you Tell me baby Tell me baby
Honeeey! What more you want me to do? Honeeey . . . Ah the women in the levee, shoutin' 'cause it's morn' pay day The men on the levee, hollerin' "Don't you move your knee" Tell me baby Tell me baby Tell me baby Tell me baby
Oh the women on the levee honey, holl'in' "Woh hah gee!" The men on the levee, holl'in' "Don't you murder me" Please baby Please baby Please baby Please baby
Honeeey, I'm a long ways from home Honeeey . . . I'm down in the bottom, skinnin' for Johnny Rye Puttin' my initials, honey on a mule's behind With my line babe With my line babe With my line babe With my line babe
[holler]I swear to God! I know that man wished that woman wouldn't come home when pay day come He looked around and 'gan to cry the last time:[/holler]
Honeeey, I'm a long way from you Honeeey . . . Yes a brown skin woman make a preacher lay his Bible down A jet black woman make a jackrabbit hug a hound Won't it baby?
[ends abruptly on last bar of vocal]
« Last Edit: July 17, 2020, 04:49:05 PM by Johnm »
The dago/Jew line pops up with Chinaman/Jew in Barbecue Bob's "Barbecue Blues" and William Harris' "Bullfrog Blues" (amongst others, I'm sure, because I think I've heard the dago one too.)
Oh, and "Honey, I'm All Out and Down" is in D position. Chris
Thanks folks. Though I've not contributed to any (correct) tuning/position stuff here's a summary so far for when we get around to doing a 'Lead Belly guitar keys and positions' thread on the tips board. Many thanks to Chris and Andrew for figuring out tuning and position, I feel humbled by my inability to figure them out myself. I do a kickass version of Kansas City Papa though!
From Columbia Legacy "King of.."
Title
1st pos. chord, or open tuning name
Semitones down from E
Pitch
Shorty George
C
4
Ab
Kansas City Papa
E
6
Bb
T.B. Woman Blues
A
3
F#
Fort Worth & Dallas Blues
G
5
D
Becky Deem, She Was a Gamblin' Girl
E
6
Bb
Honey, I'm All Out And Down
D
6
Ab
I need to check these, T.B. Woman looks like it might be tuned down further (C pos, down 6), looking at the emerging pattern. Maybe not though.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2009, 08:12:09 PM by Rivers »
Hi all, My favorite version of the Dago/Jew verse is Arthur Weston's, from his "Tell You Baby": I'm gonna tell you, baby, like the Dago told the Jew You can't be my woman, Lord, and someone else's too Huh? All best, Johnm
« Last Edit: February 20, 2009, 07:20:48 AM by Johnm »