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Slides Pt. 2 + Guitar

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frankie:
I'm gonna pipe up with a dissenting voice on a number of fronts.  First, I like the Martin 000-15S, but really...  they're not exactly "inexpensive".  Maybe by Martin standards they are...  The long scale would also make me think twice about it.  On the other hand, the Lasido guitars (Seagull, A&L, etc...) are all built with a shorter scale, about 24 3/4, are cheap, and sound pretty good.  I've played a bunch of them at a couple of local stores and owned one of the Seagull "Folk" models at one point.  They're fun to play and knock around on, and not a one of them cost more the 275 bucks.  They are, imho, plenty of guitar for that money.  If I was going to spend 650-750 on a Martin 000-15S, I think I'd save some more money and wait for something that really spoke to me.

Slides - maybe I'm just kinda "old school" about this.  I've never understood why anybody would pay more than 4 or 5 bucks for a slide, especially if you can't drink the contents first.  The slide I've had longest was a bottle of some Yugoslavian wine that I bought, drank and broke the neck off.  It's served me well for almost 15 years!  My next favorite is a piece of copper pipe that I picked up at a hardware store.  Granted, most people would tell you that copper's too light or something...  whatever...  it's comfortable and gets kind of a meaty sound on the strings.  It takes a little more work to get genuinely clean sounds out of it, but slide is a lot more about putting your mind & ear to what you're doing than it is about what finger you use or how much the slide weighs.

Resonators - oh, man...  anybody that says you have to get some sort of resonator guitar to play decent slide guitar is just talking nonsense.  I'd say you only need a resonator if you feel like that's the sound for you.  I have a resonator and have never, ever felt the impulse to play slide on it.  The best slide guitars I have are all wooden boxes & ladder-braced.  Not as loud, maybe... but volume and tone are not the same.

There's my inner-grouch coming out again... <g>

Rivers:
I played a couple of 000-15S's and I still maintain they are brilliant country blues guitars for the price.

$700 is inexpensive, esp. when you consider a Martin will hold its value and maybe appreciate.
The other brands mentioned, while undoubtedly worthy guitars, may not hold their resale value.
Another factor, Martins improve with age, the older the get the better they get.
This isn't universal but it's a very strong tendency.

I'd still want a 000-15S even if I owned a higher end guitar (which I do), they have their own character.
So I guess I'll stick to my guns on this one.

And heavier slides are better. And you are Mister Silly Pants!  :P

frankie:

--- Quote from: Rivers on April 22, 2004, 07:54:28 PM ---$700 is inexpensive, esp. when you consider a Martin will hold its value and maybe appreciate.
The other brands mentioned, while undoubtedly worthy guitars, may not hold their resale value.
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Maybe so, but this would have to be the absolute last reason for me to buy a guitar.? I wanna play the durn thing, not invest in it!


--- Quote from: Rivers on April 22, 2004, 07:54:28 PM ---Another factor, Martins improve with age, the older the get the better they get.
This isn't universal but it's a very strong tendency.
--- End quote ---

This is true of most guitars built with solid wood, though, isn't it?? It is in my experience...? ymmv


--- Quote from: Rivers on April 22, 2004, 07:54:28 PM ---I'd still want a 000-15S even if I owned a higher end guitar (which I do), they have their own character.
So I guess I'll stick to my guns on this one.
--- End quote ---

Different strokes - I'm interested in a 000-15S for fiddle backup and stuff, but for blues my tastes run in other directions.? I like cheap guitars - no denying it...


--- Quote from: Rivers on April 22, 2004, 07:54:28 PM ---And heavier slides are better. And you are Mister Silly Pants!? :P
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What?!?? You're not gonna bust my chops about resonators?? Sheesh!

uncle bud:

--- Quote from: frankie on April 22, 2004, 07:30:17 PM ---
Resonators - oh, man...? anybody that says you have to get some sort of resonator guitar to play decent slide guitar is just talking nonsense.? I'd say you only need a resonator if you feel like that's the sound for you.? I have a resonator and have never, ever felt the impulse to play slide on it.? The best slide guitars I have are all wooden boxes & ladder-braced.? Not as loud, maybe... but volume and tone are not the same.

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Yessir. One of the many things that will make my life complete is a nice little shitbox wood guitar I'd use for slide and sound great on (need all the help I can get). I play slide on a resonator by default. I really like the sound of slide on a wood box. Then again, I like it on a tricone and don't have one of those either. I've thought above raising the action a smidge on my main wood guitar to make it an all-purpose beast but can't commit.

 
--- Quote --- slide is a lot more about putting your mind & ear to what you're doing than it is about what finger you use or how much the slide weighs.
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I'm with Silly Pants on this. (well, maybe not the finger use)... To a point at least. I have seen a pro who will go unnamed use a cigar tube and with something that lightweight the tone really suffers IMO.  But otherwise touch seems more important than weight to me.
 :D

Rivers:
Re. touch versus weight, I know what you mean. These are two distinct approaches to slide, some play both ways. I want both. I'm looking for tone & touch at this point so prefer a big heavy f--- off chrome monster coz I can't get good saturated tone with a thin slide. This may be a technique thing. I don't find the heavy slide slows me down, I still play too fast.

frankie, points taken, and I will certainly not bust your chops about resonators. They are ideal for resonating. For radiating a flattop + soundhole may be better. Depends on the music you want to play and the sound and voices you hear in your head.

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