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Offline Richard

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Who is this ???
« on: December 31, 2011, 02:54:52 PM »
The audio quality is slightly reduced to get it posted.

If you have the CD\LP and you know you don't stand a chance of getting it without then don't give it away  ;D

Answers on a postcard etc etc
« Last Edit: January 01, 2012, 03:17:14 AM by Richard »
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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2011, 03:50:35 PM »
Someone better known for playing the piano, for instance?

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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2011, 04:44:25 PM »
Unfortunately, Richard, when it opens in iTunes the title and performer appear. You should have "sanitised" it.
Anyway good clue from Rivers.
I'll add - better known on the jazz side.

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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2011, 05:27:48 PM »
I wish all quizes were this easy...  :P

Seriously though, I had no idea he could play ragtime guitar at any level, let alone really well, so thanks for that.
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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2011, 08:15:08 PM »
That's pretty amazing, pianistic guitar playing. Anything else like it emerge from New Orleans at the time I'm led to wonder? It somehow does not feel idiosyncratic enough to have been a style entirely of his own devising. More the result of a method he'd learned, meaning others probably learned the same method.
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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2011, 08:20:09 PM »
My first thought was the Rev. Gary actually, before I saw the mp3 metadata flash up on the screen which gave it away. He was a very good guitar player, I had absolutely no idea.

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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2012, 03:21:14 AM »
Wot a bugger... it didn't show on the software I used to rip it. However stick your hand up if you would have got it without the deliberate mistake!

For those that haven't seen the original file details try the sanitized one...

Amazing isn't it? I had heard he could play but came across this on an ultra complete L of C cd set.
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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2012, 05:02:34 AM »
Never have got that!

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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2012, 06:57:41 AM »
wow, really nice. Where did the recording come from?

thanks for sharing this.

Mike

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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2012, 11:31:42 AM »
Hi all,
He did play like a pianist in that there was more care taken with regard to voice-leading than you generally find among blues guitarists of the same era.  Especially in the second section, where he modulates to D, he sounds somewhat reminiscent of the great New Orleans Jazz guitarist Snoozer Quinn.
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« Last Edit: January 01, 2012, 05:47:29 PM by Johnm »

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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2012, 05:01:45 PM »
Courtesy the tags index, here's a discussion of Snoozer Quinn: http://weeniecampbell.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=450.0
« Last Edit: January 02, 2012, 12:03:41 AM by Rivers »

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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2012, 12:36:22 PM »
That's Johnny St Cyr, recorded by Lomax in 1949.

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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 11:31:11 AM »
No... want another shot or shall I tell you  ;)
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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 05:11:26 AM »
No... want another shot or shall I tell you  ;)

I thought you wanted ME to tell YOU.   >:D

But seriously: In case you still think that this is Jelly Roll Morton, you're definitely wrong. I heard JRM noodle on a guitar behind his talking while he was interviewed by Lomax for the LoC in 38. Nothing coherent, though, so hard to tell how good he was. He definitely knew how to play diminished chords on the top 4 strings and how to move them around chromatically, but there are no recordings of him doing much more than that.

But I know the track you posted. It's on CD8 of JRM's Complete LoC Recordings Box Set from Rounder. Now I tell you what: "Mississippi Bottom Blues" was played by Kid Bailey and not by Charley Patton, although the song is on the Revenant Charley Patton box set, and just the same, "Guitar Blues" was played by Johnny St Cyr, as recorded by Lomax in 1949, even if it's on the JRM box set. There's not a single JRM track on CD 8 of the Rounder set, just interview snippets and musical examples of acquaintances of JRM. I bet if you rip the CDs to a hard drive, you'll get the metadata all messed up. If you still don't believe me, compare the voices. St. Cyr's is at least half an octave lower the JRM's.
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Re: Who is this ???
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2012, 03:28:20 PM »
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Now I tell you what: "Mississippi Bottom Blues" was played by Kid Bailey and not by Charley Patton, although the song is on the Revenant Charley Patton box set,
I'm a little confused, how does that enter into it?

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"Guitar Blues" was played by Johnny St Cyr, as recorded by Lomax in 1949, even if it's on the JRM box set. There's not a single JRM track on CD 8 of the Rounder set, just interview snippets and musical examples of acquaintances of JRM.
Do you have other recordings by JSC to compare? What makes you so positive about JRMs contributions to CD8?

[/quote] I bet if you rip the CDs to a hard drive, you'll get the metadata all messed up. [/quote] 
Meaning ?
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