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Railroad Bill
« on: May 03, 2014, 01:11:23 PM »
Hi all,
I thought to start a thread with transcriptions of different versions of "Railroad Bill".  We already have one by Frank Hutchison in the Frank Hutchison Lyrics thread, and I'll copy that one over here.  One of the earliest recorded versions was done by Will Bennett.  I don't know where he came from, and I don't believe he recorded many titles, but I particularly enjoy his version.  I first heard it on the old Origin Jazz Library record, "Let's Go Riding", an especially fine re-issue with a wonderful photo of a steamboat on its cover. 
Will Bennett backed himself out of C position in standard tuning for his version of "Railroad Bill", with a simple boom-chang accompaniment.  His version never goes to the E7 to F change that most recorded versions include, and in listening to him do the song, I don't miss the change at all, though I like it fine when other players do it.  Perhaps it gives his version an earlier feel.  I'm having a hard time hearing the lyrics in his last two verses and would really appreciate some help with them.  I have some phonetic approximations in bent brackets there, but they don't really make sense.  Here is a video of Will Bennett's performance for you:



Railroad Bill ought to be killed
Never worked and he never will
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill done took my wife
Threatened on me that he would take my life
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

Goin' up on the mountain, take my stand
.41 derringer in my right and left hand
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

Goin' up on the mountain, goin' out west
.41 derringer stickin' in my breast
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

Buy me a gun just as long as my arm
Kill evahbody ever done me wrong
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

Buy me a gun with a shiny barrel
Kill somebody 'bout my good-lookin' gal
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

Got a .38 Special on a .44 frame
How in the world can I miss him when I've got dead aim?
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

Then I went to the doctor, asked him what the matter could be
"If you don't stop drinkin', son, it'll kill you dead."
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

Gonna drink my liquor, drink it in the wind
Doctor said it kill me, but he never said when
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

If the river was brandy and I was a duck
I'd sink to the bottom and I'd never come up
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

Honey, honey, do you think I'm mean?
Just because I'm livin' on porks and beans
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ridfe, my Railroad Bill

The you talk about your honey, you oughta see mine
She's hump-backed, bow-legged, crippled and blind
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

Honey, honey, do you think I'm a fool?
Think I'm gonna quit you while the weather is cool?
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

Honey, honey, couldn't, what you mean?
Goin' through the world, in my heart to steal
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

Goin' to the mountain, gravest thing
Pull to the world in the Natchez Queen
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

Edited 5/5 to pick up corrections from Gumbo

All best,
Johnm
« Last Edit: May 05, 2014, 10:23:25 AM by Johnm »

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2014, 01:14:20 PM »
Hi all,
Frank Hutchison recorded "Railroad Bill" at his session in New York City on July 9, 1929, a very productive day in the studio that also yielded "The Chevrolet Six", "Cumberland Gap", "The Deal", "Johnny and Jane, Parts 1 and 2", "Cannon Ball Blues" and "K. C. Blues".  He played "Railroad Bill" out of C position in standard tuning, like everybody else.  His rendition has his characteristic timing, which I've come to think derived partially from his habit of intermittently omitting downbeats from his alternating bass and just hitting upbeats.  In some of his solos, there's a nifty patch where he slides up two frets into a D chord, a move that most people playing "Railroad Bill" don't employ.  Frank Hutchison sang a Spoonerism at the end of the second line of the fourth verse, something you don't hear all that often.  I would appreciate help with the bent bracketed word in verse three.

   Railroad Bill got so bad
   Stole all the chickens the poor farmers had
   Well, it's get back, old Railroad Bill

   Railroad Bill went out West
   Shot all the buttons off a brakeman's vest
   Well, it's get back, Railroad Bill

   Railroad Bill got so fine
   Shot ninety-nine holes in a shilver shine
   Well, it's ride, Railroad Bill

   Railroad Bill, standing at the tanks
   Waiting for the train they call Hancy Nanks
   Well, it's ride, Railroad Bill

   Railroad Bill, standing at the curve
   Gonna rob the mail train but he didn't have the nerve
   Well, it's get back, Railroad Bill

   Railroad Bill, he lived on the hill
   He never worked or he never will
   Well, it's ride, Railroad Bill

   Railroad Bill went out West
   Shot all the buttons off a brakeman's vest
   Well, it's get back, Railroad Bill

Edited 4/21 to pick up correction from uncle bud

All best,
Johnm

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2014, 01:26:32 PM »
Will Bennett was from  Loudon, Tennessee according to most, if not all sources. He only made one record. The other side "Real Estate Blues" is rather interesting.

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2014, 11:05:00 AM »
Hi all,
Frank Hovington recorded "Railroad Bill" a couple of times, first on July 5, 1975 at his home in Frederica, Delaware and again in 1980, two years before he died.  He is one musician who I wish had been recorded so much more than he was.  He has a seemingly endless supply of verses, many of which I've never heard anyone else sing, and he adds a little bridge section, the "If I lose" part, that I've not heard anyone else do in the song.  His guitar playing is beautiful and he has a lot of personal touches, including the melody taking the bass for a ride in the "If I lose" section.  I'm attaching a video of his 1980 version, which has most of the same verses as the 1975 version, with some slightly altered.  I've transcribed the 1975 version.



Railroad Bill, where have you been?
Been around the wold, Lord, I'm going back again
Let him ride, ride, Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill got so mean
Ran all the people out of New Orleans
He's a bad, bad outlawed man

Railroad Bill, waiting for a freight
Poor Railroad Bill, Lord, he is just too late
Let him ride, ride, Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill, waiting for a train
Looked around the corner, well he spied the St. James
He's a bad, bad outlawed man (Spoken: What he say?)

If I lose, let me lose, I don't care
If I lose, let me lose, I don't care
Lose many dollars tryin' to win one dime
We gamblers fall some hard luck sometime

Railroad Bill a bad, bad man
Shot the lantern out of the engineerman's hand
Let him ride, ride, Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill, going out west
Had nothing on but his coat and his vest
Let him ride, ride, Railroad Bill

Mama, oh Mama, how can it be?
Killed all the hustlers, ain't never killed me
Let him ride, ride, Railroad Bill

Rubber-tired a-buggy, double-seated hack
Goin' down to the graveyard, bring your girlfriend back
Let him ride, ride, Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill, where have you been?
Been around the world, child, I'm going back again
Let him ride, ride, Railroad Bill (Spoken: What he say?)

If I lose, let me lose, I don't care
If I lose, let me lose I don't
Lose many dollars tryin' to win one dime
We gamblers fall some hard luck sometime

All best,
Johnm
« Last Edit: May 05, 2014, 10:50:28 AM by Johnm »

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2014, 01:11:42 PM »
Will Bennett was from  Loudon, Tennessee according to most, if not all sources. He only made one record. The other side "Real Estate Blues" is rather interesting.

Love that one! A favorite.

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2014, 05:32:30 PM »
Thank y'all for contributing these great lyrical finds. I only play the song via Etta Baker.  But these verses I've never heard of?  Whooo Wheee!  Extremely grateful to y'all.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2014, 05:57:32 PM by finn »

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2014, 05:42:02 PM »
Wow, Mr. Hovington is all new to me...and thanks... great stuff. Got someone new to check-out!
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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2014, 06:12:27 PM »
There is some great background info in Railroad Bill on the folk music site Comparative Video 101.  It includes a picture of  a man posing with the dead body of Morris Slater, a.k.a. Railroad Bill.  I remember once reading that he was so "bad" that after learning the law was waiting on a train to ambush him he went ahead and robbed the train anyways.
Here is a link to the site.

http://compvid101.blogspot.com/2013/08/railroad-bill.html

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2014, 06:50:18 PM »
Thanks for that link.  Mr. Miller has inspired me with this
  thread. It took decades for me to find out  that the songs of my beginning finger - picking youth were inspired by
 true - life accounts, or at least spoken of at the time.  Real nice to hear the history of this one.  Love this song!

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2014, 06:51:47 PM »
i have a couple of incomplete suggestions for those last two Will Bennett verses, John

Honey, honey, couldn't ... what you mean?
Goin' through the world in my heart to steal
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

it's like he misses out a word between couldn't and what, eg "couldn't understand what you mean"
Quote
Goin' to the mountain, gravest thing
[Pull] to the world in the Natchez Queen
REFRAIN: Now I'm gon' ride, my Railroad Bill

« Last Edit: May 04, 2014, 06:53:13 PM by Gumbo »

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2014, 07:10:40 PM »
Jerron Paxton sings some verses that I've never heard anywhere else (which I promptly stole for my own self  >:D ). When I asked him where he got the lyrics he said he took some from Will Bennett and the rest he heard his grandmother singing around the house when he was a kid.  :D
Just found this vid which made me laugh (warning: song cuts out a little early)...

Some of the lines have already been written out here, but a couple of my favorites are:

Railroad Bill gonna take a little ride
Gonna drag his corpse around the countryside

Railroad Bill has taken his rest
My .41 slug (sometimes he sings "rocket") layin' dead in his chest

EDIT: Found a better quality version of the same track... He sings a bunch more verses here that he didn't sing in the version I stole from him! I'll try to write it out when I get more time unless someone else beats me to it. I gotta steal that hatchet line too! https://soundcloud.com/evangelistrecordco/blind-boy-paxton-railroad-bill
 
« Last Edit: May 04, 2014, 07:25:42 PM by Mike Brosnan »

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2014, 01:20:34 AM »
John Jackson did a nice version if I recall. I'll look it out and transcribe the lyrics.

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2014, 10:01:27 AM »
Thanks for joining in, folks, it makes it all more fun.

Hobart Smith, or Saltville, Virginia, recorded "Railroad Bill" several times.  An early version of his that was recorded in the '40s, I believe, by Alan Lomax, achieved a good bit of circulation on both sides of the Atlantic and was widely copied.  The version on the attached video is from 1959-1960 or so.  Hobart Smith credited his version to a local musician, Bob Campbell, an albino African-American musician, whose rendition was never equalled, in Hobart's estimation.  Hobart studied the song so hard, he had versions that he played on banjo (fantastic!) and accordion, which I would love to hear, but believe was never recorded. 
What an engine Hobart Smith had!  Almost everything he played had a feeling of barely-contained energy, and whatever he played, whether banjo, fiddle, guitar, or piano, was so strong.
A couple of places in the lyrics I'm not sure of, and would appreciate corroboration or correction.  The attached video concludes at 2:40, despite being 4:03 long.



SPOKEN: Railroad Bill, the title, this song here

Railroad Bill, so mean and so bad
He whupped his Mammy, shot a round at his Dad
One morning, just before day

Railroad Bill, he's standing on a hill
A-rolling cigars out of a ten-dollar bill
Oh, ride, ride, ride

Railroad Bill, so mean and so bad
He whupped his Mammy, shot a round at his Dad
One morning, just before day

[February], one morning, the showers and rain
Around the curve come a timely train
Oh, ride, ride, ride

If the bums going to bend the rail
Ain't nobody for to tell the tale
Oh, ride, ride, ride

Railroad Bill is standing on the hill
He'll never work, or he never will
Oh, ride, ride, ride

All best,
Johnm




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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2014, 10:24:38 AM »
Thanks very much for the help on the Will Bennett version, Gumbo.  I like all of your suggestions and have made the changes.  Thanks!
All best,
Johnm

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2014, 12:01:57 PM »
Hi all,
Frank Hovington recorded "Railroad Bill" a couple of times, first on July 5, 1975 at his home in Frederica, Delaware and again in 1980, two years before he died.  He is one musician who I wish had been recorded so much more than he was.
(snip)
John, just curious (and a little OT), but do you know if anyone has ever done an instructional book/CD or video aimed at Frank Hovington's playing?  As a newb to a lot of this stuff, I discovered him this year and fell in love with his playing.  Eleanor Ellis showed me the basics behind his "Lonesome Road Blues"; but at this point in my skill development, playing it at the tempo he does seems like it'll never be possible.  :)  And I haven't tried  anything else of his yet, hence my question . . .


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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2014, 12:43:09 PM »
Hi funkapus,
I am not aware of any instructional materials having been done on Frank Hovington's playing.  I think he is probably way too obscure a figure, despite his obvious musical gifts, to justify a commercially released lesson on his guitar playing.  Even at Weenie, which is frequented by serious Country Blues fans, I'd guess very few people have his Flyright CD or earlier albums.
All best,
Johnm

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2014, 03:14:07 PM »
Hi Blueshome, I'll take a first stab at John Jackson's Railroad Bill but there are lots of parts I can't make out...

From Country Blues & Ditties

Intro

Railroad Bill said as he will
He shot old to Kinley shot him to kill
Let him ride a new Railroad Bill

[Feed] ol McKinley shot so fine
Shot nine holes through a silver dime
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

[Garbled cemetery] buggy and cemetery hack
Gonna take old Kin' to the graveyard but ain't gon bring him back
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill he said as he will
He shot nine holes old to Kinley to kill
Let him ride on that new Railroad Bill

Solo

[Feed] ol McKinley he shot so fine
Shot nine holes through a silver dime
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

Mama wrote the letter and papa sent the stamp
Poor boy come home lookin like a tramp
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill he said as he will
He shot ol to Kinley he shot him to kill
Let him ride on that new Railroad Bill



From Front Porch Blues

Intro

Railroad Bill he said that he will
He never worked and he never will
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill he rode out west
Shot brass buttons off the sheriff's vest
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

[Feed] ol McKinley he shot so fine
He shot nine holes through a silver dime
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

A cemetery buggy and a cemetery hack
Gonna take ol cap'n to the graveyard ain't gonna bring him back
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

Solo

Some give a nickel and some give a dime
I wouldn't give five dollars for that girl of mine
Let her ride new Railroad Bill

Wash my 'jamas starch my overhaul
Poor boy come home on that Cannonball
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

Solo

Railroad Bill he said that he will
He never worked and he never will
Let him ride new Railroad Bill



From Rappahannock Blues

Intro

Railroad Bill he said that he will
He never worked and he never will
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill he rode out west
Shot brass buttons off the sheriff's vest
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

[Sweet] ol McKinley he shot so fine
Shot nine holes through a silver dime
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

Cemetery buggy and cemetery hack
Take old Kinley to the graveyard ain't gon bring him back
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

Solo

Some give a nickel some give a dime
I wouldn't give five dollars for that girl of mine
Let her ride new Railroad Bill

Solo

Wash my 'jamas starch my overhaul
Poor boy come home on that Cannonball
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill he said that he will
He never worked and he never will
Let him ride new Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill!
 


Thanks,
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« Last Edit: May 05, 2014, 03:15:45 PM by ScottN »

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2014, 12:47:36 AM »
Just a bit of info for those interested in Frank Hovington, a brilliant musician. He was recorded by Bruce Bastin and Dick Spottswood for the LofC ca. 1975. An LP was released on both Rounder and Flyright. The Flyright CD is still available from the company and has additional titles recorded then. Axel Kustner and Siggi Christmann recorded him in 1980, with material released in Germany on LPs - currently available on CD from Bellaphon Records in the "Living Country Blues USA". He was one I wanted to record, quite worthy, but I never got to him - I passed on what info I had to Bastin and the rest is history. I heard of him from my youngest sister's boyfriend at the time who was at Yale. Frank opened a concert featuring Dr. Ross back in the day!

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2014, 09:47:37 AM »
Hi all,
Bill Williams, of Greenup, Kentucky, on the Ohio River, recorded "Railroad Bill" on his first album on the Blue Goose label.  Bill was similar to Frank Hovington in that when he performed well-known songs like "Railroad Bill" or "Frankie and Johnny", he always seemed to come up with verses you've not heard elsewhere.  He starts with a pretty relaxed tempo and brings it up as he goes.



Railroad Bill was a desperado sport
He shot all the button off a brakesman coat
This morning, just before day

Then old Railroad Bill, he started around the curve
He stopped to catch a freight train, but he didn't have the nerve
A bad man, old Railroad Bill

Old Railroad Bill, he walked up to the law
He pulled out his fist and put it in his jaw
He was a bad man, old Railroad Bill

Old Railroad Bill, he stood right in the track
"I wonder if that freight train ever coming back."
He's a bad man, old Railroad Bill

Old Railroad Bill, he didn't have a home
All he'd do is ramble and run around and roam
It's a bad man, old Railroad Bill

Old Railroad Bill, he started 'round the curve
He start to see the police and he didn't have the nerve
He was a bad man, Railroad Bill

Old Railroad Bill, then he begin to roam
He's wonderin', "if I ever get back to my home
I'm a bad man, Railroad Bill"

All best,
Johnm

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2014, 10:22:53 AM »
Hi Blueshome, I'll take a first stab at John Jackson's Railroad Bill but there are lots of parts I can't make out...

Thanks Scott.

John sometimes seemed to mis-hear words and insert his own. "cemetery buggy" is usually rendered as "Singletary".

Still not had time to get to listen yet.

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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2014, 12:07:56 PM »
thanks for this, I wasn't really exposed to him before this topic.  Awesome!!!!!

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2014, 01:24:51 PM »
Hi all,
Riley Puckett, on banjo and vocal, and Gid Tanner, on fiddle, recorded their version of "Railroad Bill" very early, in 1924, the earliest recorded version we've encountered thus far.  Of course, Riley was better known as a guitar player, but his banjo playing here has a beautiful smooth flow to it.  He certainly sang pretty, too, really a sweet tone.  Melodically, the duo's version is probably closest to Will Bennett's version, maybe because it is not tied to a finger-picked accompaniment in C.  This track really has a "trip back in time" sort of feel to it for me, that I especially like. 
I'd appreciate help with the lyrics in two places.  In verse two, Riley sounds like he sings "Dunny".  The word that sounds closest to that that you normally find in Country Blues lyrics is "doney", but that doesn't make a lot of sense here.  Any thoughts?



Railroad Bill, mighty bad man
Shot the lantern from a brakeman's hand
Oh honey, it's ride, ride, ride

Some folks say the dummy can't run
Just let me tell you what the dummy done
Oh honey, it's ride, ride, ride

Left Atlanta, half past one
Got to Chattanoogy at the settin' of the sun
Well, it's ride, ride ride

Railroad Bill lived on the hill
He wouldn't work, Lord, and he hever will
Oh well it's ride, ride ride

Kill those chickens, save me the heads
Thinks I'm a-workin', I'm at home in my bed
Oh well it's ride, ride ride

Baby, baby, you needn't fret
I ain't no fool, Lord, 'bout you yet
Oh well it's ride, ride, ride

Kill those chickens, save me the wings
Thinks I'm a-workin', Lord, I ain't doin' a thing
Oh, it's ride, ride ride

Railroad Bill, mighty bad man
Shot the lantern from a brakeman's hand
Well it's ride, ride ride

Kill those chickens, save me the feet
Thinks I'm a-workin', I'm a-walkin' the street
Well it's ride, ride ride

Edited 5/6 to pick up correction from banjochris
Edited 5/7 to pick up correction from dj

All best,
Johnm
« Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 06:00:29 AM by Johnm »

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2014, 01:35:01 PM »
It sounds to me like dunny refers to the name of a train but which train?

EDIT something on the L&N perhaps - that ran between Atlanta and Chattanooga
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2014, 03:25:43 PM »
It's got to be "dummy" -- same verse pops up in "I Ain't Bothered A Bit," just recently discussed on the Leadbelly lyrics thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_dummy

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2014, 05:21:32 PM »
Thanks for the help, Chris.  "Dummy" it is.
All best,
Johnm

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2014, 09:39:44 PM »
Hi all,
I had never heard this version before.  When you have Vera Hall singing a melody like this, what a gift it is to have no chords, no accompaniment. 



Railroad Bill, he goin' 'round that curve
Go 'round there, you better raise your nerve
REFRAIN: I'm scared of Railroad Bill
I'm scared of Railroad Bill, young man,
I'm scared of Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill, he was a-mighty mean
Wouldn't wear nothin' but the big-leg jeans
REFRAIN: I'm scared of Railroad Bill
I'm scared of Railroad Bill, young man,
I'm scared of Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill, he was a mighty big fool
Wouldn't ride nothin' but a mustang mule
REFRAIN: I'm scared of Railroad Bill
I'm scared of Railroad Bill, young man,
I'm scared of Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill, he mighty big fool
Couldn't tell his track a-from a horse or a mule
REFRAIN: I'm scared of Railroad Bill
I'm scared of Railroad Bill, young man,
I'm scared of Railroad Bill

All best,
Johnm
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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2014, 04:24:54 AM »
I think verse 6 of Riley Puckett's version of railroad Bill is

Baby, baby, you needn't fret
I ain't no fool, Lord, 'BOUT you yet

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Re: Railroad Bill
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2014, 06:01:53 AM »
Thanks for the catch, dj, I have made the change.
All best,
Johnm

 


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